Talk:Za dom spremni/Archive 1

Archive 1

Capitalization

The capitalization is necesary?

Completely unnecessary... Don't want to venture any guesses why it was originally put in. Though Ustaše symbolism and identity is unfortunately alive and well in today's Croatia, it would be good to check the legal status on displaying and using these symbols and slogans and include this info in the article. Miranche 00:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Though Ustaše symbolism and identity is unfortunately alive and well in today's Croatia?????

explain this.Individuals (idiots) do not represent the Croatian people.Unfortunatley every county in the world has nazis.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

However, the salute has seen an increase in popularity in Croatia since the 1990s war, especially among Croatian nationalists

The salute was forbidden during the communist Yugoslavia because the Ustase used but more becuase it was a reflection of Croatian nationalism.Croatian nationism as well as the Serbian,Slovenian,Macedonian etc. was forbidden as well. So of course it's going to se some increse after the communist era because the starting point was zero.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Can I Say Something Here

I'm guessing this page was edited during the whole Thompson fiasco across north america by Croatians who don't have a clue about Ustase and want to defend Thompson (who is completely pro-Ustasa). "Za Dom Za Dom" is a historical Croatian call, "Spremni!" is a historical Croatian call, but "Za Dom - Spremni !" is a historical call / salute which was only ever used in history by USTASE. It was rehabilitated during the 90s wars as the 90s showed great parallels to the 40s in Croatian eyes (continuing the fight left in the fields of Bleiburg in '45 - fighting for a free Croatia against Serbocommunist hegemony etc). The fact that some people even try to argue that this salute is 'thousands' of years old or even 'hundreds' is completely laughable - they are just trying to defend thompson or simply do not know any better. Oh and one more thing - the Ustase, never saluted "Za Koga - Za Poglavnika!" - the only time I have ever heard of that is at the beginning of a popular HOS (Croatian Defense Force) song from the 90s. Ustase would salute "Za Dom!" "Spremni!" or PTB and PTS units would salute "ZA DOM I POGLAVNIKA !" - "SPREMNI!". OH, and the opera does not say "Za Dom Spremni" anywhere, it says "Za Dom Za Dom" - which I have mentioned earlier as a historical Croatian salute - however, once again "Za Dom - Spremni!" is 100 percent Ustasa make.AP1929 (talk) 06:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

This salute has nothing to do with that idiot Thompson.Thompson is allegely a Ustasa sympathiser,because he denies it.But who cares about him,as i said he's an idiot. The "problem" with this salute are the Serbs who comdemn Croatian nationalism from the starting point. Every patriot is an Ustasa to them and everything has to be connected to the fascist Ustasa regime. Serbs are trying to ripp us off our past and history by smearing it. It's translation says enough.For homeland.Ready!.... Serbs just want to globalize the Ustase conotations.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 10:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

"But who cares about him,as i said he's an idiot." (the article is about Thompson?)

Operra says "Hajd' u boj, u boj! Za dom u boj! and it is art vision of historical Croatian call, but in many version of call homeland is point —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.105.104 (talk) 23:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Griffin, Perkovic is not an idiot: he's an intelligent man making money off of idiots... --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 21:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

"Modern-day meaning"

Its modern-day meaning was defined with its usage during the Second World War by the Ustaše movement, as their equivalent of the Nazi Sieg Heil.

This would imply that the salute used to have a different meaning e.g. before the WWII, but - as already noted in this talk page - at the very least there is no proof that this salute was ever used before WWII, so "modern-day meaning" is misleading, and that's why I rephrased the sentence. GregorB (talk) 19:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh - there is a modern-day meaning. The salute is quiet often used during football matches by thousands of fans, which are certainly not all nazis. 200 years ago it was a military salute by Nikola Subic-Zrinski, 70 years ago it was a fascist salute by the Ustashe and now its a salute for croatian patriots. The context defines the meaning. Goran777 (talk) 16:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Its an ultranationalist, fascist salute. Are you trying to say that if I use the Sieg Heil now than its not a Nazi salute since I'm not a Nazi? The so-called "Croatian patriots" are using this because it is a symbol of Croatian ultranationalism. The NDH was a Croatian ultranationalist state. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 16:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The german salute is a fascist one because fascists used it during WW2 and the current german Nazis are using this now. The croatian one is used by almost everyone in Croatia as it has no fascist but a patriotic meaning for them. And what do YOU know about the reasons of croatian patriots using the salute btw.? And where did you get those information from? How can you, the foreign media or a jewish organization determine the meaning for them ? Goran777 (talk) 09:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Za dom is old salute... with no connection to Ustaše. However, Za dom spremni is disputed as such.AFAIK , during NDH it was used Za dom i poglavnika spremni. And has no connection to neo-nazism in Croatia11:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Ustashe used lot of of old Croatian patriot's customs, especially from 19th century. And part of this salute - "For home!" - is used in opera "Ivan Subic Zrinski" by Ivan Zajc, and is dating from before 19th century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.56.241 (talk) 17:26, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Missing reference

"The salute is formally a crime in Croatia, but despite the jail term threatened under the EU-standard sanctioned laws, noone has ever been tried for this."

Is there a reference for that part? Goran777 (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

dead link

http://www.pavelicpapers.com/archive/0101/5.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prvi zdrug uskrsnuce (talk • contribs) 23:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

For home - ready!

literally transl. from Croatian: For home - ready! Dear admin can you plead stop DIRECTOR from deleting the meningful translation of the slogan:

• Meaning in English from Croatian language: For home(land)! Reply: Spremni! (We are) ready!

Prvi zdrug uskrsnuce (talk) 23:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)