Talk:Wind & Wuthering/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kostas20142 (talk · contribs) 19:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

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• By mid-1976, Genesis had survived the loss of original frontman Peter Gabriel, with drummer Phil Collins taking over lead vocals, and produced the critically and commercially successful album A Trick of the Tail and supporting tour..: Please either rephrase or exclude. If you choose to rephrase please address the following:
  1. the loss is very ambiguous and can be perceived as a lot of things.

     Changed to "departure", in a nutshell, by this point Genesis had proved they had a lasting career without Gabriel. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

  2. produced the critically and commercially successful: Could you at least cite the phrase? (although I have my concerns about that phrase being used as is)

Added a ref to Bowler & Dray (also used in A Trick of the Tail). To put into context, after Gabriel left, the music press all thought "well the band leader, spokesman and only interesting person has left, so the band is toast - what, you mean the drummer is going to be the lead singer ... hahahahahaha" and subsequently all ate several rounds of humble pie when they heard the album. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• 1. Show why is this relevant to the topic.

     For those of us who aren't intimately familiar with the Genesis back-story, it provides some useful context. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

     Agreed Kostas20142 (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• There are two broken links in citations.

Six, according to IABot Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Still 2 permanent dead links (the ones I meant in first place)

Ah, got them - as CD reissues of old albums tend to happen about once every ten years and then get less important than the original (with a few exceptions) it's difficult to find decent sources for them, and once newsworthy sites disappear once people have lost interest. Anyway, I've patched this up with a bunch of AllMusic sources. The stuff about the boxed set is a bit off-topic for this article, so that can be trimmed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• The band worked hard: Leaning towards exclusion.

Fixed Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• the first time Genesis recorded an album outside of the UK: Would be better if supported by a source.

There isn't one directly, but I don't think it counts as original research to look at where the other albums were recorded (ie: Trident Studios, Island Studios or the Island Mobile. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry much about it, wasn't really going to count it as such; if you find any such mention you can add it, otherwise ignore it --Kostas20142 (talk) 15:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• The album's title derives from two pieces...: Could you please split this sentence? It is q bit confusing.

Done (split into three). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• (question for my convenience mainly) What North American leg is?

From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leg item 4 : "A stage of a journey, race etc. - After six days, we're finally in the last leg of our cross-country trip." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Final review

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	All issues found during this review have been fixed.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Compliant with MOS
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	layout guidelines followed.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Some relevant issues have been fixed.
	2c. it contains no original research.	The only thing that someone could possibly consider original research is the "first recording outside UK". However, in my opinion there is no such issue.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	No copyright violations or plagiarism found in the article.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	All main aspects of the topic are sufficiently covered.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	The article is neutral, some minor issues have been fixed during the review.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	The article has is not affected by edit wars.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	File:Genesis1976windandwuthering.jpg, which is the only image used in this article, is appropriately tagged as non-free; a valid fair use rationale, under the United States copyright law has been provided.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	The image described above is the album's cover, so relevant to the topic.
	7. Overall assessment.	All issues relevant to GA criteria have been fixed during the review. The one noted at 2c is not in my opinion a reason to fail this nomination since it isn't really original research. However the nominator or anyone else may add the source mentioned if available and found. Closing the nomination as successful. --Kostas20142 (talk) 19:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks also to LowSelfEstidle for doing a lot of the legwork on this article (along with much of the Genesis back catalogue). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah, good to see one of my favourites become a GA! Well done Ritchie333 for your efforts as always. Cheers, LowSelfEstidle (talk) 09:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)