Talk:Directorate for State Security (Yugoslavia)

Term

The article uses the terms "UDB" and "SDB" inconsistently. Someone should clean that up, I'm not sure which is better. --Joy [shallot] 18:32, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

UDB and SDB were to other agencies in the Yugoslav secret police lineage, I'm not sure where thought. Thanx 69.142.2.68 04:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

UDBA and SDB refer to the same agency; circa 1966 UDBA changed its name to SDB. So, many statements like "UDBA did this, UDBA did that" are incorrect and meaningless, as UDBA did not exist as such at the time of the events described. Really, people who appear to be totally unaware of such elementary facts about UDBA/SDB should not venture to write articles about it. GregorB (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing

Does the source for the Eliminations section meet WP:RS and WP:V? If so, are all the individuals on the list included in the source? Writegeist (talk) 17:21, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Not really a fully reliable source. The "Elimination" section is tricky because it lists some cases where UDBA was clearly involved, and a number of cases where its involvement is a matter of pure conjecture. This is why much, much stronger sources are needed for this section. GregorB (talk) 10:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Quotation in footnote 7 (Christian Axboe Nielsen)

strange, a CIA research study of 1975 says just the opposite: “Republican security agencies are now subordinated to the central, federal level, and function through a direct chain of command. The state security (SDB) has a single chain of command up to the federal level, despite the fact that outwardly its organization fits the usual Yugoslav federal subdivision. Official policy treats the republic agencies as departments of the federal agency, and while the former are accountable for their activities to the respective republican department of the federal agency, they are actually directly subordinate to the Director of State Security, the federal body.” (page 34) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirna Bura (talk • contribs) 16:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Comment post-1986

I am sorry to introduce a sinister tone here, but the article reads:

The role of intelligence and security changed after 1986, when a different mentality reigned within the Party and the processes of democratization were initiated. Intelligence security agencies came under attack, and many people started publicly writing about and criticizing the SDB. There were no more taboo subjects. The party organization was abolished in the SDB and the first attempts to introduce parliamentary control began.

There isn't a single sentient human being in the former Yugoslavia over a certain age who believes this disjointed crap. When the SANU memorandum was published, it was not the first time a nation (in this case, the Serbs) were cultivated to be operating at cross-purposes with the governing system. The Croatian Spring publications were an earlier example, yet just a year before the memorandum was the case of the Belgrade Six. There existed the Goli Otok facility for dealing with dissidents, and even Jovanka Broz, wife of Tito, was arrested in 1977. Nobody was above the system. The only change was the National Endowment for Democracy which after its creation, began covertly making payments into certain people's bank accounts as an emolument for certain commitments. Dobrica Ćosić would have been arrested had the UDBA had any teeth in 1985. Plus, although no intelligent person can ever see this as a prologue for Slovenia's eventual response (independence movement), that too would have been dealt with as the UDBA had always done prior to 1985. It is the one anomaly nobody bothers to realise amid the changes that swept over Yugoslavia from the latter half of the 1980s. One clue to the problem lies with Josip Perković: a man alleged to have orchestrated a high profile assassination of an anti-Yugoslav Croat dissident in West Germany, 1983, Perković (director of Croatia's UBDA) had by 1990 defected with the public knowing nothing, and nobody filling the vacuums. The reason I do not edit much these days is because I do not concur with what is and is not WP:RS and sadly, everything that corroborates my point is confined to the sources that challenge the mainstream media instead of conforming to it.

Just wanted to make my point. --Juicy Oranges (talk) 16:28, 20 February 2022 (UTC)