Talk:Thessaloniki/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Grandiose (talk · contribs) 22:25, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll be taking this review.

Opening comment

Please check that there are complete references. I shall add tags in the morning, but working through the article you should see some areas which need references. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 22:25, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Update

Sorry for the dramatic pause. The largely unreferenced "Cityscape" section is of the most concern at this moment. While I am sympathetic that not quite all of it can be referenced exactly, there are still a lot of factual statements without citations:

• Aside from its commercial importance, Thessaloniki was also for many centuries, the military and administrative hub of the region, and beyond this the transportation link between Europe and the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel / Palestine). ~ grammar decidely iffy here as well
• Merchants, traders and refugees from all over Europe settled in the city. - might be too vague to reference, if so, it needs to be made more specific and referenced (or removed).
• During this time, the city saw the building of banks, large hotels, theatres, warehouses, and factories. ~ "this time"? ditto above.
• It destroyed the city's historic center and a large part of its architectural heritage, but paved way for many modern buildings and allowed Thessaloniki to have a more proper European city center, featuring among others, wider diagonal avenues and monumental squares.

Those are only a few examples, of course, but their are others further down the article:

• Until then, the city was a major railway hub for the Balkans, with direct connections to Sofia, Skopje, Belgrade, Moscow, Vienna, Budapest, Bucharest and Istanbul, alongside Athens and other destinations in Greece. However Thessaloniki has remained as one of Greece's most important railway hubs and has the biggest marshalling yard in the country.
• Furthermore an additional line has also been established, although with the use of regional trains, between Thessaloniki and the city of Edessa.
• Bougatsa, a breakfast pastry invented in Thessaloniki, is very popular throughout the city, and has spread around other parts of Greece and the Balkans as well. A stereotypical Thessalonian coffee drink is Frappé coffee. Frappé was invented in the Thessaloniki International Trade Fair in 1957 and has since spread throughout Greece and Cyprus to become a hallmark of the Greek coffee culture.
• I think there must be some of the "Notable Thessalonians" that are in some way controversial, although I shall consider this issue further later.
• Several private TV-networks also broadcast out from Thessaloniki, with Makedonia TV being the most popular. [...] The city's main newspapers and some of the most circulated in Greece, include Makedonia, which was also the first newspaper published in Thessaloniki in 1911 and Aggelioforos. A large number of radio stations also broadcast from Thessaloniki as the city is known for its music contributions.
• The main stadium of the city is the Kaftanzoglio Stadium (also home ground of Iraklis FC), while other main stadiums of the city include the football Toumba Stadium and Kleanthis Vikelidis Stadium, home grounds of PAOK FC and Aris FC respectively, all of whom are founding members of the Greek league.
• while in 2009 the city and the stadium hosted the 2009 IAAF World Athletics Final.
• The opera is based at the Thessaloniki Concert Hall, one of the largest concert halls in Greece. Recently a second building was also constructed and designed by Japanese architect Arata Isozaki. Thessaloniki is also the seat of two symphony orchestras, the Thessaloniki State Symphony Orchestra and the Symphony Orchestra of the Municipality of Thessaloniki. Olympion Theater, the site of the Thessaloniki International Film Festival and the Plateia Assos Odeon multiplex are the two major cinemas in downtown Thessaloniki. The city also has a number of multiplex cinemas in major shopping malls in the suburbs, most notably in Mediterranean Cosmos, the largest retail and entertainment development in the Balkans.

On another note, some of the references are dead (as has been indicated by another, I haven't checked). Many others require additional information (169–175, for example); some are of dubious veracity (e.g. 176); some others really need the full caps replaced with mixed case (eg. 220); others are broken in formatting and need fixing (e.g. 229 – consider {{bracket}}). In essence there have been improvements but still much to work on. (Unsigned: Grandiose, 7 July 2012.)

I notice that few if any of the above omissions have been taken care of at the present time. Are you working on them? Would more time help? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:44, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Problems still remain, so I'm failing the article. For what it's worth, coverage is pretty good. Other things I've commented on above. Do renominate when the issues have been addressed, it's always nice to see an article on somewhere important make it to GA. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)