Talk:The Mighty Ducks: Game Changers

Co-starring

I have been told many veteran editors that there is a general consensus on MOS:TV and WP:TV that we do not include co-starring actors because their roles are minor. They are not guest starring nor recurring. Both Forrest Rozitis as Tibor Capek and Zenon Brown as Havel Capek are listed as co-starring with the rest of the long list of co-starring actors. They were never listed as the guest starring cast. Listing them as part of the recurring section is not appropriate as they are no different than the rest of the co-starring actors. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

MOS:TVCAST does not say anything about not including co-stars. In my experience, while what is considered main characters is not up for debate, there is a lot more discretion when it comes to listing recurring cast. They are extremely different then the other co-stars as they're the only two to be members of the Don't Bothers. Without them, they wouldn't have had enough members to play in States. They have lines on the show. They're not just background characters like the rest of the co-stars. The only co-star who has more screen time is Trevor, Stephanie's son, who should also be listed. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 20:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

While generally "co-stars" play minor roles, there are cases where someone credited as co-starring plays an important role in the story. Sometimes, more experienced actors with small roles get a "guest star" credit while newbies with much bigger roles get a "co starring" credit. I remember there's a Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episode called "The Buffa-Lowdown" that revolves about a character called Avery. She got more lines than all the guest stars combined and it's literally impossible to describe the plot without her, but because she was still new, she got a "co-starring" credit. Someone reading that episode's plot summary might want to know who plays Avery, only to realize that she's not listed. And then there are shows like The Mandalorian that use "co-starring" for the main starring roles. So, for these, it shouldn't be a black and white rule, but rather based on the character's notability. — Starforce¹³ 21:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that would be this case as Forrest Rozitis as Tibor Capek and Zenon Brown as Havel Capek hardly speak and when they do, there are only 1-2 lines. Lia Frankland is a young actress who only had minor roles in the past and yet she is credited as guest starring for every episodes she appears in this TV series. — YoungForever^(talk) 21:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Co-starring is below guest starring. Co-stars have less lines the guest stars. It is a common practice on MOS:TV and WP:TV to not include co-starring actors on the Cast section because their roles are minor. — YoungForever^(talk) 21:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, co-starring is below guest-starring, at least on paper. But sometimes, there are exceptions where someone with a "co-starring" credit plays a bigger and more notable role than someone receiving a "guest" credit. Like in the NRDD example I gave, and several others I've noticed, though the NRDD was one of the extreme ones. It's rare but it happens, and when it does, we should be open minded. I'm not saying these particular 2 characters need to be listed as recurring - I'm simply against looking at it from a black-and-white perspective. It should come down to noteworthy. — Starforce¹³ 23:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

The two actors were hardly in any scenes with 1-2 lines when they actually speak. They are irrelevant to episode plot summaries. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Did you watch the show? Yes the hardly spoke, but they were in a ton of scenes. Pretty much every hockey scene after "Spirit of the Ducks", they were in them. And they're important to the plot as members of the main team. Also, I'm going to add Trevor to recurring as he had a bunch of lines, was in most episodes, his mom is a main character, and he played a significant role in Episode 9. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 00:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Of course, I watch the show. They are not in every scene nor most of the scenes in the episodes they appeared in. Yet, you are under the impression anyone who is not main cast, but appeared in multiple episodes is recurring even when they are never listed as guest starring. — YoungForever^(talk) 00:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, being in a lot of scenes doesn't really mean they play an important role. It's about how notable their roles are as individuals. Shows about a team tend to have a fixed set of extras or "co-stars" who appear almost every time with the team, to satisfy the number needed for that team. So, obviously, they will appear in a lot of scenes, but if they rarely speak or get any spotlight to do anything notable, then they're more of extras. So, while I want us to keep an open mind about the co-starring roles, I wouldn't fight for these particular ones to be included as recurring. — Starforce¹³ 01:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

In the scenes that they speak, they simply just agree with the team with simple 1-2 lines. Guest stars who appeared in less episodes them have more lines than them. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

In that case, they should not be included as recurring. I'm yet to get caught up on the latest episodes, but even JDDJS seems to admit that they rarely speak. — Starforce¹³ 01:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Kasra Wong as Trevor Reddick is co-starring only, yet a non-notable character insignificant to the plot. He is just a player on the opposing team and the son of a main character. He is hardly in any scenes with the mother. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I've restored to your revert. For them to get a special exemption from the rest of the co-stars, we need better justification. But so far I haven't seen anything. — Starforce¹³ 01:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I am aware that sometimes a co-staring actor in multiple episodes gets promoted to guest starring on some episodes which is an example of some exceptions. Btw, Mark Chavez as Terry hardly speak at all, in fact, Lia Frankland as Mary Joe spoke most of the time even when Terry is co-hosting with her daughter Mary Joe. Yet, Mark Chavez is another co-starring actor only that is irrelevant to the plot. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I just remembered an example where someone credited as "co starring" qualifies as recurring: Harmeet Pandey as Jessica in Diary of a Future President. She plays significant roles in almost all the episodes and has more lines than almost all the "guest stars" but for some reason, she gets a "co-starring" credit.— Starforce¹³ 02:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

It seems that JDDJS is still claiming Kasra Wong as Trevor Reddick is a notable role because he was Sofi's date. He didn't speak during the entire date. Sofi did all the talking when she was trying to make Evan jealous. Trevor wasn't even in many scenes with dialogues. — YoungForever^(talk) 08:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, being someone's date or even appearing in many scenes without significant dialogues isn't really an important role. And even if it was truly one of those cases where the character is heavily involved and very important to the story, you still need to do that in several episodes in order to be considered as recurring. Even regular guest stars need at least 4 episodes. — Starforce¹³ 15:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

He's in most episodes with dialogue. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 17:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

That's incorrect. There were only about 5 scenes where he spoke and rest of the scenes did not spoke. The times he spoke were irrelevant to the story. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

In some TV series articles, regular guest stars need to be at least 5 or 6 episodes to be recurring because there are just too many guest stars that appeared in 4 episodes. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

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