Talk:The Last Time (Taylor Swift song)/GA1

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Reviewer: Sebbirrrr (talk · contribs) 21:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Picking this up for a review!

Infobox and lead

• Remove the short description, start date and duration templates as they're all redundant

• Per the guide at {{Infobox song}} using the {{start date}} template is desirable; I believe the template also creates consistent data on Wikidata and Wikipedia of other languages. But I do believe that {{Duration}} is redundant. Ippantekina (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Startdate is fine to use then. The short description one however is not needed as it is generated by the infobox. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

     Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Don't think "of Snow Patrol" is necessary

• It's the official credit printed on the CD's notes. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Alright. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• "taken from Swift's" → "taken from the former's" to avoid repetition as the next sentence begins with Swift

•  Done

• "lattermost" → "latter"

• "latter" is used for two objects so "lattermost" is preferable imo. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Fine. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Aiming to experiment with..." → this sentence is quite long, maybe try to split it?

•  Done

• For consistency, you should either have Nashville or Nashville, Tennessee here and in the body
• "the refrain" → "the chorus"

• May I ask why? Refrain is fine imo. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • I just think chorus is more commonly used than refrain but it's not a big deal. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• "In the lyrics" → "Lyrically"

•  Done

• Link music critics to Music journalism instead

• I'm not sure; I adhered to WP:NOTBROKEN that we do not fix redirect links in certain cases. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Background and release

• See above for Nashville

•  Done

• ""The Last Time" is track number 10..." → not sure if this is necessary as it seems quite irrelevant

•  Done

• Isn't November 11 the release date? Ref 10 just lists several singles while ref 11 gives an exact date

• If it was released on the 11th then it wouldn't make much sense that the single charted on the UK chart dated the 10th... either way, I reworded it a bit.
  • That's better, but shouldn't the release date in infobox be changed to November 2013 then as that's not an exact date? Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Neither source states that Big Machine released it as a single

•  Done

• The ref doesn't state that they performed the song on The X-Factor

•  Done

• Are there more live performances of the song?

• No, to the best of my knowledge. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Just wondering if they needed their own section with the music video, but that's fine. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

• "it is an alternative rock, following" → a word is missing here

•  Done

• "refrain" → "chorus"

• Ditto. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • See above. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Critical reception

• Rename it to "Critical reception and commercial performance" and insert the commercial performance paragraph as it's quite short

• There are three paragraphs in the Critical reception section now, so I don't see it as a great idea. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Understandable. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• There's a lot of repetition of "[reviewer] of [publication]" and "[reviewer] from [publication]" please fix it

•  Done
  • Better now, although there still is little repetition for how Stewart's and Clayton-Lea's reviews are introduced. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• "and vocals:" → "and vocals, stating:"

•  Done

• Link Taste of Country to Townsquare Media#Web publications and services

• Ditto per WP:NOTBROKEN. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • You still need to link Taste of Country though. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

     Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• For Clayton-Lea's review, I think you should specify that both this song and "Everything Has Changed" were deemed "desperate attempts"

•  Done

Commercial performance

• See above
• "After Red was released" → "Upon Red's release"

•  Done

• "After its UK single release" → WP:OR as it's not explicitly given by the source

•  Done

• "for the week of November 10–16, 2013." → "for the week of November 10, 2013."

•  Done

• No need to mention the peak positions in Ireland and Scotland, saying they charted in the top 20 is good enough

•  Not done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done now, Ippantekina (talk) 02:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Personnel

• Tidal ref is dead, can it be replaced with the album's liner notes?

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Charts

• "2012–13" → "2012–2013" per MOS:DATERANGE

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

"The Last Time (Taylor's Version)"

• Remove duration and start date templates
• "under Republic Records imprint" → don't think "imprint" is necessary

•  Done

• "on November 11, 2012" → "on November 11, 2021"

•  Done

• Move the refs for the peak positions at the end of the sentence

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Personnel

• The div col templates aren't needed as less than 20 people contributed to the song

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Charts

• Isn't it possible to use Template:Singlechart for Canada?

• I added it manually to re-use the Canadian chart for the original version as well. If we use {{single chart}} then we will have two duplicate refs, which I don't favor. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Got it! Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio at 27%, looks fine
• Source check: 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 23, 28, 32
• AllMusic should be tagged as the publisher for ref 4
• Ref 7 is missing access-date
• Ref 9 is dead
• Why are refs 14 and 15 tagged with url-access=limited?

• The LA Times is under a limited paywall (at least for US readers..)
  • Didn't appear for me but they can stay I guess. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• Tag ref 23 with via=Newspapers.com
• Ref 26 is missing the date
• Link Billboard for ref 31
• Link Alexis Petridis for ref 32
• I'll AGF for the Perone source
• The ProQuest sources look kind of awkward with the id and via parameters, maybe keep one and remove the other?

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Outcome

 On hold for seven days until all issues are fixed! Sebbirrrr (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I have responded to your comments above :) Ippantekina (talk) 03:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ippantekina: Good job! I've left more comments to some of your replies. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience. I believe all are addressed now, Ippantekina (talk) 02:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ippantekina:  Passing Everything has been addressed! If you have the time, I would really appreciate it if you could take a look at any of my current GANs. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.