Talk:The Internet of Garbage
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Restore redirect and expand on author's page? edit
Sorry for the typo in my edit summary--I meant to say "valid search term" not "valid search time"! What would folks think my suggestion, that we make it back into a redirect and expand the material about the book on the author's main page? Or alternately, working it up in a userpage/sandbox and add all at once? I do think probably the redirect is the best route just now--unless a book has quite a lot of coverage, an author's who've only put out one book so far usually have just an author bio or a book page on Wikipedia, but not both. Seems like we're pretty committed to the author bio, at this point. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Of course there's no rush. We could also work here for a bit and then readd to the main page. I just bring it to the talk page after deprodding because I don't think we need to waste anyone's time with an AfD when I think we can probably find something mutually agreeable. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- There's nothing stopping anyone from expanding the section on the book in Jeong's article (in fact it would help with the undue-weight situation regarding the tweets controversy), but I think the book meets WP:NBOOK so I don't think it should be redirected without an AfD. Softlavender (talk) 07:32, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- I know the article I created was bad. I overestimated my resources and it was 1 AM where I live when I published it, but right now thanks to other editors the article seems fine, and considering the number of sources and the notability standards for books I am pretty sure it does meet the wikipedia notability guidelines. Maybe just barely, but it does Openlydialectic (talk) 09:24, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Fair on all counts, and, looks like the matter’s been resolved promptly! Thanks to all doing extensive work on this entry. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you to everyone who is and/or has been expanding and improving this article! Softlavender (talk) 21:07, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Glad to help. I was honestly not expecting to find as much as I did. There are a lot of brief mentions, incidental title-drops, etc., to sift through, many of them generated by the recent dust-up. But digging under that layer found more that was worth noting. XOR'easter (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- You've done a fantastic job, XOR'easter. As of now you have written the bulk of the article: [1]. -- Softlavender (talk) 21:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Discontinued? edit
according to the firsr cited link, the book has been discontinued. Should the article be amended to reflect that? PaulCHebert (talk) 23:39, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- In my opinion, no, since Forbes routinely discontinues all of its eBooks after a few years, as can be seen at the link; 33 of its 45 eBook titles have been discontinued: [2]. Also, we have no WP:RS citation stating when it was discontinued. Softlavender (talk) 23:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks. Was concerned that the book got pulled because of the ongoing kerfuffle. PaulCHebert (talk) 00:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Looking through the Wayback Machine snapshots, it appears that the book was discontinued sometime between March 18th and April 11th of this year. This was well before the recent dust-up, and so I doubt there were any sinister motives. XOR'easter (talk) 00:56, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks. Was concerned that the book got pulled because of the ongoing kerfuffle. PaulCHebert (talk) 00:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, interesting, thanks. I didn't know that very limited-time contracts was the reason Forbes' ebooks get "discontinued" so frequently. Softlavender (talk) 12:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding that! I think Jeong's own statement would count as an RS for this purpose (per WP:TWITTER); I mean, the details of author/publisher contracts are hardly "exceptional claims". But it's probably not necessary to write about it in the article anyway. XOR'easter (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, interesting, thanks. I didn't know that very limited-time contracts was the reason Forbes' ebooks get "discontinued" so frequently. Softlavender (talk) 12:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Citations edit
I'm moving the list of citations of the book here for now; it clutters up the references section without adding add much in terms of understanding the topic. Feel free to restore any refs that discuss the book itself.
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—Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Page count edit
My old PDF copy of the Forbes edition is 78 pages long; the PDF of the Verge reissue is 79. I don't know where "92" came from, but given the nature of e-books, I don't think we should bother putting a page count in the publication history section or the infobox. XOR'easter (talk) 18:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)