Talk:The Boat Race 1892/GA1

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Reviewer: Seattle (talk · contribs) 19:21, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I can review this soon. Seattle (talk) 19:21, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Comments

• File:Frank Willan, c. 1870.jpg: needs Commons:Template:PD-anon-1923 rather than its current construction, source URL is dead

  Licence changed as advised but can't find replacement for source URL nor the source at archive.org. What does that mean? Remove from all articles? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

  Certainly not; I'll search for another source. Seattle (talk) 17:05, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

  I've emailed douglashistory.co.uk and asked if they knew the original source for the image. In the meantime, the file looks like a crop from [1], which is from The Illustrated London News. I'll do some further searching. Seattle (talk) 17:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

  Have uploaded File:Frank Willan, Oxford.png, which I think is an improvement. If you want to exchange the files on the articles listed at File:Frank Willan, c. 1870.jpg, that would be great. Seattle (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

  What a beautiful thing. Thanks. I've replaced all uses of the previous image with the one you created. Many thanks! I need to have a conversation with you about the images in the The Illustrated London News, a good friend has suggested that these are PD and can be uploaded for use. I need to be sure that's right and then I'm going wild in the aisles with images, but your help would be greatly appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

  Yes, to my (layman's) knowledge of copyright laws, I'm modestly confident that most, if not all, of The London Illustrated News, published in 1869, is in the public domain in both the United States and the United Kingdom. See List of countries' copyright lengths for more information. On pages III–IV, there's an index of engravings, which might list the works' creators, or, more likely, just pages for images themselves, as an index does... Unfortunately, and this might be isolated to my viewing platform, I can't read those pages when I zoom in; Google used to sharpen the text when the viewer zoomed into the page, but it doesn't look like the company does so now. I wouldn't think that any of the authors were alive in 1935, even if the index listed authors, but I wish we could check to be sure. With that said, from what I can discern from the book, it doesn't look like the index provides attribution to any of the image's authors, and I believe the index is just an index, with no attributions. Thus, feel free to upload those images with Commons:Template:PD-anon-1923, but do look for textual attribution around the image and, if you find an author, make sure the 70 years + life rule is observed. Passing this article. Seattle (talk) 02:28, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

• Licence changed as advised. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• The lead insufficiently summarizes the "Crews" section, as well as the progression of the race

  Expanded. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• If Burnell, pp. 50–51 references John Friend Rowlatt, I would prefer you move the reference to that statement

  Reworked. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• rowed in the trials eights for Cambridge, he was never selected for the Blue boat what are "the trials eights"? for the Blue boat can be unclear; can you rework to "was never selected to represent the crew in competition"?

  Linked "trial eights" to the main Boat Race article. It's Blue boat to distinguish it from any other crew he could have been selected for. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• Can you make this sentence (the list of the coaches) a serial list?

  I'm not sure, I think I have? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• pupils at Eton College, four were studying at Magdalen College. can you add an "and" after the comma?

  Sure. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• One rower was registered as non-British, Edward Wason Lord can this be a colon instead of a comma?

  Yeah, not fussed either way. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• (although it was claimed this was as a result of a practice row after which Oxford's time was inaccurately reported in the press). claimed by whom? Include a reference, at the least. {{by whom}} is made for those kind of statements

  Rewritten as stated by Drinkwater. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• Oxford led from the start and were half a length ahead by Craven Steps not depicted on the map... where is this?

  Note added. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• Can you link "slide" somewhere?

  Linked to the glossary. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• The fastest winning time in the history of the race may deserve a mention in the lead.

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• Be consistent with hyphenated ISBNs– see WP:ISBN for a converter to hyphenated ISBNS, which are preferable. Seattle (talk) 21:03, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

  Cool. Only 100-odd articles to update! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Responded accordingly, some new things in there that hadn't been picked up before which impact the whole tome so I have some serious legwork later today.... Sad face. Thanks for your comments, all addressed to your behest, but for a couple of outstanding notes. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Before you start, 13-digit hyphenated ISBNs are the preferred style. Seattle (talk) 16:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

@Seattle: I saw that, there seems to be various ways of hyphenating the 13-digit ISBNs, for this article, at least, I think i've got it sorted, if not perhaps you'd be kind enough to show me what I'm lacking. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that looks correct. Thanks again. Seattle (talk) 02:28, 19 January 2015 (UTC)