Talk:Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2012

Scope of terrorism

Something is not necessarily terrorism just because a gun or a bomb causes death(s). This article is not List of violent deaths in Pakistan in 2012, and nor should such an article likely exist. If the source does not reasonably attribute the death to terrorism then the death should not be listed here. - Sitush (talk) 07:14, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Correct as always...but I must admit, I don't have the energy to search through all of those sources to indicate which ones are described as terrorism and which aren't. It's also a little hard for me, since I don't even believe in the concept of "terrorism" (that is, I don't believe there is a separate category of violence which can legitimately be called terrorism, while there are other kinds of violence that are not). But we can just go by what sources say. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Intentional bomb blasts are all terrorist events, regardless of whether the source says so or not. We can exercise editorial discretion here. You are just trying to whitewash troubles in Pakistan (as much as possible). I am going to ignore any input from Qwyrxian because Qwyrxian has been canvassed here, and has shamelessly decided to respond to canvassing.OrangesRyellow (talk) 13:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC) You have deleted lots of sourced content about bomb blasts, this is not appreciated.OrangesRyellow (talk) 14:00, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Terrorism is a somewhat nebulous concept: one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter/independence activist etc. However, bombs have been used by, for example, people trying to break into banks or halt trains in order to rob, and by criminal gangs in their battles with other criminal gangs. And so on. Examples such as these would clearly be considered criminal matters by any reasonable person. Ergo, not all bombs are related to terrorism. Furthermore, our policies say that we cannot draw our own conclusions, so if the source does not make the connection then we cannot make the connection. And if the source makes an alternate connection - eg: one incident that I have removed was "festive firing" at a wedding - then the statement does not belong in this article.

In addition, to the best of my recollection, every single so-called terrorist attack that I have removed so far was also a copyright violation. Finally, Qwyrxian was not canvassed and this has been explained to you elsewhere. Even if you do not accept the explanation, my note on their talk page was worded neutrally and therefore does not fall under the scope of WP:CANVASS. - Sitush (talk) 15:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Your argument about bombs being used for bank robberies etc. does not pertain to the material you have deleted from this article. Dont say irrelevant things. Bomb blasts meant to kill random people or targeted people or landmarks etc. are obviously terrorist events. Stop indulging in pedantry. We are not transcription monkeys. As eds, we can exercise ed discretion to a reasonable degree. And neutral wording does not absolve canvassing when canvassing is being done only to garner support from an old friend. You are hindering article development and taking retrogade steps only out of a desire at whitewashing.OrangesRyellow (talk) 16:29, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I suggest that you read WP:OR. - Sitush (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Already done. I am not inserting anything that the source does not say.OrangesRyellow (talk) 16:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

But you are ... because this article is about terrorism and the source does not say that. - Sitush (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Article is about terrorist incidents. Other people have also been adding bomb blasts into this article because it is easy to see bomb blasts are terrorist incidents. It is only your whitewashing agenda which makes you think otherwise. Wanna do an RFC on this?OrangesRyellow (talk) 22:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Feel free, although I think it is premature. Why not float something at the Terrorism project first? You do, after all, have a documented history at ANI regarding your POV. And I do not. - Sitush (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2012 (UTC)