Talk:Sutton Hoo purse-lid

Awkward title

@Macg92 and Johnbod: The title of this article seems overly long. How about "Sutton Hoo purse cover" or "Sutton Hoo purse lid"? It's a small enough article now, with only a dozen or so pages that link to it, that it could be done without too much confusion (especially with the use of redirects).

If that makes sense, should it be purse lid or purse cover, and should it take a hyphen? The British Museum refers to it as "The Sutton Hoo Purse-Lid." I can't check Bruce Mitford (1978) until the end of the week, although the 1975 prefatory list of figures (which I have scanned) refers to it as the "purse-lid," as does Angela Care Evans (1986, The Sutton Hoo Ship Burial). Marzinzik (2007, The Sutton Hoo Helmet) refers to it as the "purse lid," although it's only named in an image caption, it's not the focus of the book, and the book is more of a tertiary source anyway. Barring evidence to the contrary, I would Suggest "Sutton Hoo purse-lid." --Usernameunique (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Webster, Leslie, Anglo-Saxon Art, 2012, British Museum Press, ISBN 9780714128092 uses "purse-lid" too. In terms of ease of finding, there are cases for Sutton Hoo purse-lid and Purse-lid from Sutton Hoo, but I agree the former is probably better, with maybe a redirect for the other. I'm not sure the whole thing is quite a proper name. Johnbod (talk) 11:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Johnbod: Sounds good, I'll change it now and add the redirects. I think you're right that it's not quite a proper name, although somewhat interestingly, Google doesn't really show anything but Sutton Hoo references when searching for "purse lid" (with/without hyphen); the term purse-lid itself seems to be an invention for the one in question. Looking at the older sources (Kendrick 1940 and some contemporary news accounts) "purse frame" and purse mount" seem to have gone in and out of vogue, but "purse-lid" was around at least as early as the 1947 Provisional Guide.

Just copied it over to a new page. Does this talk section stay here, or should it be copied over too? Haven't done this before. --Usernameunique (talk) 11:39, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Sadads: I'm a bit confused by your edits. It looks like you undid my edit, in order to make a more official transition from the old title to the new. However, it looks like that wiped out the edits made after my original attempts to move the text over (e.g., I had gone through and changed all instances of "cover" to "lid"; now they're back to "cover"). Are those edits still logged somewhere, so that I can quickly reincorporate them? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Usernameunique: You didn't move the page properly, destroying the edit history, which violates the copyright of our content. If you want to restore the changes of edits within the article, that is fine. However, when moving a page: you should use the process documented at Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#How_to_move_a_page. Also, you need to make sure you keep talk pages with the content itself, allowing folks like me to find the discussions which allow the content to change (I moved the page, before I found this conversation). Sadads (talk) 13:47, 9 January 2017 (UTC)