Talk:Survivor: Edge of Extinction

Upcoming twist

@Katanin:, @ApprenticeFan:, @Farnell45: With the upcoming rumored twist of Extinction Island, how should we precede with making the contestant table dealing with the placements, etc.? I think the placement order should be determined via when they were voted off, regardless if someone voted out after them quits before they do on Extinction Island. VietPride10 (talk) 20:40, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@VietPride10: Well in Redemption Island, Wyatt Nash was voted out in the Final 12, but ultimately he got 7th place officially.

Ok, I do agree with that the placement of the returnee should be handled like Redemption Island winners, but if for example, Person A was the first person voted out, but stayed on Extinction Island until the very end, only to lose the final battle. Person B is voted off after the merge but quits Extinction Island. I do not think Person A should be ranked/placed higher than Person B. VietPride10 (talk) 01:13, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@VietPride10: Not sure why this should be treated any differently from Redemption Island: one column based on when contestants exit the "Main game," one based on when they exit "Extinction Island," and a final column based on their overall finish. If the first boot makes it 35 days in while the second boot makes it 10 days, why wouldn't we put the player who lasts longer "higher" (rankwise) than the one who doesn't? Katanin (talk) 19:57, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Source for Kama?

Just out of curiosity where's the source that the yellow tribe is called Kama?Sinjoh2015 (talk) 19:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Can someone please remove the semi-protection? Why is it there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6F10:1960:CD59:2592:1A00:9E2D (talk) 02:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

The page was semi-protected because of persistent disruptive editing by an unregistered user. Semi-protection will be removed on March 12th and likely not any earlier than that. *75thClarkbarHG* (talk) 05:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Um... It IS March 12th and still no change? (Maybe a different time zone? I dunno.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.84.43.10 (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh, come on! Semi-protected again?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6F10:1960:C008:B779:EFD:EB0E (talk) 23:59, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Episode 2 vote tally

CBS still hasn't released the official vote tally. In the event that they never release it, is this analysis enough base to edit the vote table? And it probably wouldn't be the first time we have to resort to handwriting analysis (for example, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe we ever had an official confirmation on who voted for Donathan in the revote at Kellyn's elimination in Ghost Island). 90.47.19.10 (talk) 19:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Edge of Extinction or Extinction Island

I changed all mentions of the new twist from Extinction Island to Edge of Extinction because Edge of Extinction is the name used on the show and multiple sources, but I was reverted. Before changing it back again, I'd like to open it up to discussion as to which name we should use on the article. OctoMocto (talk) 02:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree that it needs to be listed as Edge of Extinction on the page. We've had 2 episodes now, and every mention of it has labeled it as Edge of Extinction. There was even text on screen during episode 2 that said "Edge of Extinction - Day 4". I get there was the Arisa Cox interview where Jeff calls it Extinction Island, but there have been no times on the actual show where it was called Extinction Island. It has only been referred to as Edge of Extinction on the show itself, so that's the name it should be called by here. Tar62800 (talk) 05:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I'm at least fine with either. A lot more interviews have referred to the location as Edge of Extinction than Extinction Island, however, and I'll at least with whatever is the consensus. Also OctoMocto, at least leave a discussion open for longer than 12 hours if others wish to weigh their opinions on this, it's incredibly unfair to other users in different time zones than yours. Sinjoh2015 (talk) 16:36, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Keith EOE

When Keith was voted off, he was stuck on the choice of leaving permanently or going to Edge of Extinction. Those sources say he did go to EOE, but I'm not sure. Those sources might be spoilers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.84.43.10 (talk) 15:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

It does come from the CBS Press Express, so it's affiliated with CBS, however I do at least agree with you that it is very much a potential spoiler to other who may not be aware of it. It may also be incorrect, as the writer for the press release may not have known were to put Keith as at the end of the episode he's in a bit of a limbo. He's not actually eliminated, nor did he choose to participate in the twist yet. Also, the signpost may also be counted as part of "Edge of Extinction", too, and the accompanying pictures of the press release don't actually show Keith being there either. Sinjoh2015 (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

It appears that the press release has been updated, no longer stating Keith is on EoE. Sinjoh2015 (talk) 23:44, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Confirmed! Keith did go to EOE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.84.43.10 (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I made sure this is known in the episode box.

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2019

Ethanweinberg05 (talk) 01:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Kama won 3rd episode immunity challenge put that in and there is. prob a tribe switch episode 4.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 04:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2019

There are 2 bars with Chris Underwood's name 96.242.53.216 (talk) 02:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 04:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Chris Underwood was listed twice on the table of contestants. I've remedied the problem. NiciVampireHeart 04:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Turns out he's the winner! He SHOULD be listed twice!

Manu who?

The name rings a bell with a certain basketball player. how are the tribes named?

Tribe names are based on the locale. Manu is the Fijian word for fish. 135.196.1.74 (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Manu is the Fijian word for bird, not fish. There's a clear phoenix motif going on, too, as Kama means to burn and Lesu means to return. Sinjoh2015 (talk) 02:42, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Eh, close enough. But yup, in answer to the original question, aesthetics/names are on local culture and/or language. 135.196.1.74 (talk) 07:34, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Edge of Extinction returnees

Just wanted to ask the community - currently the page shows the timing of 1st and 2nd returnees from Edge of Extinction. I don't know what the source is for this info, as it hasn't been televised yet. Should this information be removed for now? It is a bit spoiler-y. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odinsgata9 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

You are somewhat correct. A user keeps adding future information on the episode and voting tables, of which most is speculation, and it has not been revealed if or when a 2nd returnee point will occur in the future. However, the returning point was featured on last episode's Next Time on Survivor..., and well as the official Survivor YouTube channel showing a sneak peek of the episode, confirming the reentry and its occurrence on Day 17. --Sinjoh2015 (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Click here for a full view of the season and when eliminations occur. I have tried editing the rest of the page to fit this because I have done this in the past and the website has always been accurate. My edit was reverted so I just haven't been updating it. NintendoGeek (talk) 17:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes the dates are correct. However, it's still speculation on their part, since they are drawing from patterns in past seasons and they seem to be drawing from previous Redemption Island seasons. It's certainly not hard to predict when something might happen if there's been a pattern over the course of a few seasons. Not to mention that they also update their pages as information comes out, meaning they do not know when most of these events happen. Sinjoh2015 (talk) 22:58, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Edge of Extinction Quitters

@ApprenticeFan:, @Katanin:, @Jayab314: should we change it to "Quit" instead of "Left" to refer to any EOE people who raise the mast? VietPride10 (talk) 01:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@VietPride10: I would say yes, change it to "Quit" as it would give more clarity, but both are fine options. Jayab314 01:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@VietPride10: @VietPride10: No. It's different from an actual quit, as EoE is this optional "loser's bracket," so to speak. If one of the remaining players were to voluntarily leave the main game, the difference in language would be necessary. - Katanin (talk) 01:28, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@VietPride10: @Katanin: As it is optional to go to Extinction Island, it is still a part of the game just like Redemption Island. When they raise the mast or choose not to go back, that is the literal definition of quitting. Jayab314 01:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

It's neither "Quit" nor "Left." We hear someone talking about raising the mast every episode, the official wording should be "Raised Mast."

And @Jayab314: I don't understand why you're referring to Outcasts or Redemption Island twists as if that affects this. Edge of Extinction is a new twist. It literally makes no sense to shoehorn Rick in the middle of the chart. With the Outcasts, they just showed up after 6 episodes and voted two of themselves back in and the rest left - so just mark the two as returnees in their voted out row. RI was an episode-by-episode basis with someone getting eliminated. Matt, Andrea, Ozzy x2, Laura, and Tina all returned after the last person on RI was eliminated, that's why they're placed where they are. Rick rejoined the game before Wendy & Keith raised the mast, so he should be on top of the chart. (Edit: If Rick rejoined today, and Wendy & Keith stayed on EOE this week but left next week, would you have this same energy? No, but it's the same thing!) It makes no sense to separate the current inhabitants with Rick lol make it make sense pls ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 02:06, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@Totaldramaman: I'm ok with "Raised mast," but it's not particularly intuitive as to what that means, unlike "Left." And Keith and Wendy left after Rick returned to the game (and, in a way, because he returned and they didn't). He should go on top. - Katanin (talk) 14:58, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@Katanin: I'd like to revisit this. Some unregistered user seems firm that Wendy and Keith should be considered quitters. Can we agree again that it should be "Raised mast" and not "Quit"? ~ Totaldramaman ^{(talk · contribs)} 03:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Totaldramaman: Support for "Raised mast". Much like with "Voted out", "Lost duel", etc., it's the method by which a player leaves the game. - Katanin (talk) 16:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

"Raised mast" tells us nothing about the nature of the castaway leaving; did they raise it due to medical issues, or did someone manipulate them into doing so, or was it simply because they didn't want to be there anymore (like Keith and Wendy in this instance)? It was Keith and Wendy's decision to raise the mast, and there were no contributing factors that were known to the viewer other than they didn't want to be there, so technically, Keith and Wendy raising the mast means they are Survivor quitters. 50.232.92.83 (talk) 17:04, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with the most recent addition to this section. Nobody else told Keith and Wendy to raise the mast; it was their decision alone. This makes them quitters in the game. What I don't understand is why somebody like Bi Nguyen or Dana Lambert, who both quit due to medical reasons even though they were indeed cleared by the medical team to continue in the game, gets more flak for quitting for a more valid reason than "I don't want to be here anymore" (check the Survivor: David vs. Goliath and Survivor: Philippines pages, and you'll see "Quit" as opposed to "Quit due to injury or illness" like it read for a long time before somebody decided to update the articles the way they did). It doesn't seem fair that Keith and Wendy get a free pass as opposed to Bi or Dana when they did in fact throw in the towel, while the latter two would have most likely stayed in the game had it not been for medical issues that arose while in the competition. 173.79.201.217 (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Another thing: I think we should go with what the user Jayab314 suggests, as he is listed as a member of Wikipedia's Survivor Task Force. According to him/her, Keith and Wendy are quitters since it was their decision to raise the mast. Yes, the other EOE inhabitants contemplated raising the mast themselves, but they never did, meaning they did not quit. 2600:1003:B119:5422:D8A1:AEC9:21FD:58F0 (talk) 11:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

One point I'd like to add: I come to Wikipedia to read encyclopedic articles, not for a biased opinion on how Keith and Wendy left the game, and "raised mast" is too open-ended and gives two quitters the benefit of the doubt. Biased opinions like that are why some professionals don't trust Wikipedia for concrete information. As a Survivor fan, I've seen people quit due to reasons other than "I don't want to be here anymore", which is the reason Keith and Wendy raised the mast. The way the edit portrayed this did not tell us otherwise. Therefore, they should be labelled as quitters to make the article unbiased and easier to read for someone who didn't watch the season. 173.79.201.217 (talk) 21:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what else to add that these other users haven't covered, but I'd like to express my support for "quit" as opposed to "raised mast", since the latter literally means quitting in this instance. 96.231.250.80 (talk) 11:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Per the talk page for Survivor: Winners at War, Keith and Wendy on the contestants table should be classified as “quit by raising mast”. 96.231.250.80 (talk) 23:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I thought this was resolved already. The last addition I'm seeing here is "quit by raising sail", not "left game" or "raised mast" or anything of the sort. In that case, by definition, it is quitting the game. 96.231.250.80 (talk) 14:09, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Where is the “compromise” folks are talking about is “left game” as opposed to “quit”? Can someone at least tell me that? I thought we’d go off the consensus on the talk page, not a personal agenda or something like that. 96.231.250.80 (talk) 06:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Episode #s

The episode that aired on 4/17/2019 was Episode 10 not Episode 9. The week that Survivor was on for two hours was considered back-to-back episodes (Episodes 5 and 6). Dalton Ross tweeted about this at the time to confirm it was two separate episodes and if you look at CBS Press Express the photos for last night's episode are clearly labeled Episode 10.

68.147.109.233 (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Wardog

CBS.com shows his nickname as "The Wardog," not just "Wardog." That's how it should be shown here whenever his full name is presented (i.e. Dan "The Wardog" DaSilva). Every other time, though, it can be shown as just "Wardog." (i.e. "Wardog voted against...", "Wardog talked to...") Greggens (talk) 02:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, but I disagree with the consistency. By putting "The Wardog" in one section but "Wardog" everywhere else, it is inconsistent and confusing, as seen with one user misinterpreting your invisible comment and using it as reason to add "The Wardog" to the whole article. CBS press material has never superseded in-show nicknames (e.g. why we use Fabio and Dreamz instead of Jud and Dre, even though those nicknames were only introduced during the show). - Katanin (talk) 12:52, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Voting history July 2020

Chart looks...weird. 96.231.250.80 (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Issue's been fixed. Schazjmd (talk) 15:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Survivor jury vote table discussion

There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force#Jury vote tables to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion. Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors. Schazjmd (talk) 16:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)