Talk:Stolta Stad!/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I am going to review this, though may get confused at parts since I'm used to taking on traditional song articles. --K. Peake 08:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks. I guess it's traditional in most senses, though with spoken sections it's a little unusual. Happy to help in any way I can. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Your welcome and if I have not understood anything properly below, don't feel afraid to make me aware... good luck! --K. Peake 11:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• Img looks good!
  • Thanks!
• Remove comma after the bracketed title
  • Done.
• The best-known and best-loved part should be in a different sentence from the first one
  • Edited.
• "It combines spoken" → "The composition combines spoken"
  • Edited.
• "and song (in Swedish)." → "and a song (in Swedish)."
  • Edited.
• Mention the narrator and lyrical content for appropriate detail in lead
  • Added.
• "of its capital city," → "of the country's capital city,"
  • Done.
• If any of the covers are notable, mention them here too
  • Added.

Context

• Retitle to Background
  • Done.
• "overlaid on map" → "overlaid on the map" on the img text
  • Done.
• Pipe Swedish song tradition to Scandinavian ballad tradition
  • Done.
• [1] should be solely at the end of the sentence
  • Moved.
• The cittern instrument is not sourced
  • It was, but added another.
• Wikilink pastorales
  • Done.
• "during the eighteenth century." → "during the 17th century." per MOS:NUM and because you mentioned years in the 1700s before
  • That would simply be misleading, the 17th century began in 1600. I've said "in Bellman's time.

• Sorry that was a typo, I do know that each century is actually one ahead of the multiple of 100 so write during the 18th century. --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Well I've replaced it anyway.

• Pipe Bacchus to Dionysus
  • Done.
• "sport in Stockholm's" → "play in Stockholm's" to be more encyclopaedic
  • Done.
• Most of the juxtaposition sentence does not appear to be sourced and humorous is not neutral language
  • It's reliably sourced, and one of the most salient facts about Bellman's work.

• I will let this slide, to be honest. --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks.

Epistle

Spoken sections

• Wikilink motley
  • Done.
• "old town, Gamla Stan," → "old town Gamla stan,"
  • Done.
• Start a new sentence at "They are speaking"
  • Done.
• Pipe dancing bear to Tame bear
  • Done.
• "to defecate; people are" → "to defecate, people are"
  • Done.
• Pipe trumps to Trump (card games)
  • Done.

Music and verse form

• Add actual text on the audio sample because it needs this to comply with WP:NFCCP
  • Added.
• Pipe rhythming pattern to Rhyme scheme
  • Done.
• "a musician, and one" → "a musician and one"
  • Comma is correct.
• Pipe key to Key (music)
  • Done.
• Shouldn't "among the epistles call" use "are" before it?
  • The grammar is "only [these two] call for...".

• Oh, alright. --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• ""Regardez ces traits" from" → ""Regardez ces traits" on"
  • Said "in".

• No problem --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Img looks good!
  • Thanks!

Lyrics

• "ships, flags and" → "ships, flags, and"
  • Done.
• "drinking and song," → "drinking and a song,"
  • No, song as a quantity, an element of the scene, not as a single item.

• Thanks for the clarification --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Wikilink stanza
  • Done.
• Why is no source provided for the para?
  • Done.
• Hendrik Willem Van Loon → Hendrik Willem van Loon
  • Done.
• Shouldn't Cadiz be written as Cádiz instead?
  • Done. Actually it's debatable as Bellman wrote Cadix in Swedish.
• Pipe Spaniard to Merchant ship
  • Done.

Reception

• Retitle to Reception and legacy
  • Done, but "and" in a heading is a retrograde step really.
• Remove wikilink on Stockholm for the img
  • Done.
• "no. 65, "So I look out at the shore", which includes the lines" → "no. 65 "So I look out at the shore", which includes the lyrics:"
  • Done.
• "dramatic technique, the ability" → "dramatic technique; the ability" if this ability is the technique
  • The ability is the technique, but the semicolon doesn't work as it must introduce a clause with an active verb.

• Are you sure a colon isn't the appropriate way to do this? --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• I'm perfectly happy to use a colon in such a context, but a hundred gnomish editors "know" otherwise. If you want to use your "minor edits" rights as reviewer to change it I won't object.

• Wikilink the gospel
  • Well we could, but it's "the gospel of brandy-drinking" so perhaps the link would be a bit of an Easter Egg!
• "but just one of" → "but merely one of"
  • Done.
• "all Stockholm depicters."" → "all Stockholm depicters"." per MOS:QUOTE and this is one sentence, so merge with the above para which it has relevancy to
  • Done.
• "Soundscape, it suggests, turns" → "According to the society, the soundscape turns"
  • It's better as it is.
• Merge the Haga-Brunnsviken Nytt sentence with the above para per short length
  • Done.
• The last performance shows notability per the costume, but actual info is needed for the others to meet WP:SONGCOVER
  • Fixed, adding description.
• Merge the tour company para with the above one, as both are about legacy
  • Done.

Notes

• Good
  • Noted.

References

• Copyvio score looks dangerously high at 67.9%; cut down quoting from the section to help resolve this
  • Well, looking at the supposed copyvio, there are two things to say. Firstly, the text is long out of copyright; the only material copied is Bellman's own, along with a short bit of Van Loon's translation; he died in 1944, so he too is out of copyright. Secondly, we need to give the reader a small sample of both prose and verse, and in both cases that would easily pass the fair usage test, even if we needed to apply it which we don't.

• Fine, thank you for explaining the lack of copyright breaking.

• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
  • This isn't a GA requirement; and most of the sources are books. I've archived Ankarkrona and Bergström just in case.

• I'm aware of that, but shouldn't you do it incase the links die so people can read more in the future anyway? --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• I think we're ok now, pretty much everything is either a book with "hardcopy" available, or archived.

• The Bellman Society → Bellman Society on ref 2 with the wikilink

--K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• • Done.
• Ref 8 is a duplicate of ref 1
  • Merged.
• Add language parameter for ref 9
  • Done.
• Shouldn't you cite a source for ref 15 per Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source?
  • No, this is the primary text, which WikiSource happens to have copied. It is in no way citing the encyclopedia. The text is of course available in many other places.
• Pipe Royal Swedish Library to National Library of Sweden on ref 17 and add the language parameter
  • Done.
• The Bellman Society → Bellman Society on ref 18 and add the language parameter
  • Done.
• Cite last name followed by first name on ref 20 and author-link Evert Taube
  • Done.
• Use sfn for refs 21 and 22 to lead to the appropriate source, plus write p. instead of page for consistency
  • Done.
• I can't see the original uploader because ref 23 is dead but if this was not from an official account, then remove or replace
  • Gone.
• Remove or replace ref 24 per WP:RSPYT
  • Gone.
• Remove or replace ref 25 since my laptop's security gives a firm warning that the site is dangerous
  • Done, this is a new and probably temporary thing, probably the site has been infected as it's a reputable company of many years' standing (no issue when I added it back in 2016).

Sources

• Pipe Bonniers to Bonnier Group
  • Done.

• Simon and Schuster → Simon & Schuster
  • Done.

External links

• Mention the name of the website the text is at
  • Done.

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; that went better than I expected! --K. Peake 11:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Many thanks, I think I've addressed all the items now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you; I have left some responses above. --K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks. I think we're complete now; the colon is up to you if you want to risk it! Chiswick Chap (talk) 22:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass time, I changed that part but re-worded slightly rather than adding a colon. --K. Peake 09:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)