Talk:Statue of Lutgardis, Charles Bridge

Resolved

@Jklamo: I'm not sure these coordinates are correct. The map's pin is not on the bridge. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Cloudz679: Or, perhaps you can help here? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Seems like some strange error in WikidataCoord template, as coordinates on wikidata are OK [1].Jklamo (talk) 18:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@MB: Thanks for fixing! Marking this as resolved. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Another Believer, I was unaware of this thread. I was working on this because the coord didn't display on the "Charles Bridge" map, which put the article in Category:Location maps with marks outside map and outside parameter not set which I work on from time to time.MB 19:44, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

MB, Gotcha, thanks for your help. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Another Believer, I just looked further and Jklamo was indeed correct that the coords are correct in WD, but somehow off a bit when pulled into en.WP with Template:WikidataCoord. So my "fix" shouldn't have been necessary; Jklamo has reported this on the template talk page. MB 20:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Title

@ŠJů: Curious, do you think the title of this article should be changed based on your changes to the category name at Wikimedia Commons? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@ŠJů: I see you've updated the lead and infobox, but I'm also wondering if the page should be moved. Also curious why you think this change is needed. I don't know anything about Lutgardis or what the statue depicts. This source says, "The statuary depicts St. Lutgardis who, before her death, saw the crucified Jesus Christ who embraced her, pressed her lips against his wounds and exchanged his heart for hers." Based on this, I'm inclined the leave the page title alone. @Cloudz679, Jklamo, and MB: Thoughts? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:36, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I have no opinion how the page of the English Wikipedia should be titled. In Czech, the sculpture is named "Sen svaté Luitgardy" (Dream of Saint Lutgarde) or rather "Vidění svaté Luitgardy" (Vision of Saint Lutgarde) or just "Sousoší svaté Luitgardy" (Sculptural group of Saint Lutgarde). According to legends, since her 17 years, she had many visions of Jesus Christ, she has stigmas etc. The last 12 years of her life, she was blind. The sculpture depicts her vision when she was an old blind nun and ask Jesus to gain his heart. Jesus took out her heart and placed his own instead it, and her heart placed to his own chest. In other her vision, Jesus bent down from the cross and put her mouth to his wound. Also, the sculpture depicts motives from the two visions. --ŠJů (talk) 20:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: The only official source I could find, which is in Czech, calls it simply Socha sv. Luitgardy (Statue of St. Lutgardis). I would therefore be disinclined to change the name. Thanks, C679 05:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

There is no official name, all three - Socha sv. Luitgardy (Statue of St. Lutgardis), Sousoší svaté Luitgardy (Sculptural group of Saint Lutgarde) and Sen svaté Luitgardy (Dream of Saint Lutgarde) - are used. In monument catalog it is quoted as Sousoší svaté Luitgardy (Sculptural group of Saint Lutgarde) - see documents at [2] and [3]. Note that The Charles Bridge Museum is rather a tourist attraction than real museum institution. As conclusion I think that the current name is OK. Jklamo (talk) 09:11, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Jklamo, Thanks, this is very helpful. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:59, 25 June 2019 (UTC)