Talk:St. Thomas Aquinas High School (New Jersey)

Swim coach incident

This matter, while possibly not completely concluded with respect to matters involving sentencing, has nevertheless been concluded with respect to its occurrence at the school, see http://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-unpublished/2011/a1306-10-0.html User:Fred Bauder Talk 15:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

As a matter of practice, per the WP:RS guidelines, we should be basing the article on information published in secondary sources such as newspapers, and not going directly to court transcripts. —C.Fred (talk) 16:10, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The opinion of an appeals court is a secondary source. Material such as testimony would be primary sources. The link is to confirm that the factual phase of court proceedings are over. User:Fred Bauder Talk 16:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

In addition to my stated objections on comment pages regarding the lawfullness of posting articles related to the sexual activities of minors and local laws regarding cases still going through the appeals process, I feel very strongly that putting the issue on the school's Wikipedia page (especially under its own header) is at its best too weighty for what is supposed to be an unbiased list of facts regarding a school and at its worst a biased attack on the institution. References to these articles would be better served on a "list of accused NJ teachers" or some other Wikipedia page - not the page that is supposed to give unbiased factes about the institution. At the very worst it should be mentioned within the Athletics section, but truly I believe it too weighty and biased to be included on an informational page. Jcullinan (talk) 17:05, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

It is probably better for the school's article to have an explanation here rather than just a see-also link to "list of accused NJ teachers" with no context. There may be an issue with undue weight, but I'm not convinced that it should be removed entirely; other schools have had similar incidents mentioned in their articles. —C.Fred (talk) 17:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Rechecked the text: one sentence is not undue weight, and I don't think the athletics section is the best place to put this, so a one-sentence section we're left with. —C.Fred (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Giving the mention its own header is most certainly undue weight. If it is related to the school, it is related by way of the Athletics department and it belongs under that Athletic header. As it is, it should be removed from the article entirely because its inclusion is the result of bias. 63.125.102.230 (talk) 17:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The opinion of the court is a primary source. From WP:PRIMARY: "Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved." The appeals court is directly involved in rendering a decision; therefore, the court's opinion is a primary source. —C.Fred (talk) 17:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

That said, the text in the article is currently based on two newspaper stories, so we're using reliable secondary sources. No problem on that front. —C.Fred (talk) 17:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Borrowing some phrasing from another Wikipedia user who posted to this thread on the ANI page: All events regarding this incident happened off of school grounds. The school had no rule in the crimes. The incident's inclusion on this article is therefore unwarranted as there is no significant reason published in secondary sources to discuss school involvement. It is my opinion that the inclusion of said material (especially under its own banner) is biased to make the institution look bad. There is quite obviously an issue of undue weight. I do not want to get in an edit war for fear of being blocked, but it is my strong opinion that this information does not belong on the institution's wikipedia page. Jcullinan (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Consensus (at ANI) disagrees with your position. --Nouniquenames 17:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

And it continues... I just reverted this deletion by another new IP editor. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 22:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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non-independent sources and broken links

Hello, numerous of the citations in this article link directly to the website for the school. In addition, these same source links are often leading to pages which give the message: "Sorry, the page you requested cannot be found." The sources for this article need to be updated in order to make this article verifiable, which is what it needs to be as an encyclopedic entry. Curdigirl (talk) 16:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Name change

I graduated in 84, 84 was the last class that was Saint Thomas , 85 was Bishop George Ahr, the name was not changed in 83 as stated . 50.29.174.120 (talk) 03:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)