Talk:Sport in Vatican City/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Arconning (talk · contribs) 09:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Pbritti (talk · contribs) 23:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I'll review this article. This looks like a fun topic, so I'm in! I'll get some reviewing done in the next 12 hours, with a goal to wrap this up by the end of next weekend. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Preliminary review

Sorry, got distracted. Commencing my initial review, which will look at copyright, comprehensiveness, and cohesion. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

• Lead is generally sound and sufficient to provide a broad overview of the subject for a general audience.
• Only exception to this quality is the description of Vatican Athletics. My understanding is that describing it as an unofficial Olympic Committee is inaccurate, seeing as it's not presently affiliated with the Olympics and does appear to have official approval from the Holy See. I'd encourage slightly more detail on Vatican Athletics, noting that it is a fairly new entity.
  • Removed the claim. The claim of it being a fairly new entity might be outdated soon so I wont put it now. Although upon further request, I'll put it.
• Attitude towards sports: While I can appreciate that brevity is necessary, it's probably worthwhile adding that other recent popes have been intimately involved in sports. John Paul II was an athlete in his youth, so consider using this document as a launching point for maybe an additional paragraph.
• There is substantial overlinking of things like the 2024 Summer Olympics and linking of country names that do not require links
  •  Done, removed the extra linking instances of 2024 Olys and removed most of the country name wikilinks (besides the important ones such as the national football team for San Marino).
• When naming things like Campo Pio XI, consider providing a short description. I'm a Catholic with friends who have studied in Rome and I was still a bit hazy remembering exactly the role and location of that facility.
  •  Done Added the short description for it, could you provide the "things" that should have descriptions?
• I'm not presently aware of any significant examples, but has sport ever been frowned upon by the Vatican (recently or historically)? If so, a single sentence might be worth inclusion.
  • Not really.
• Images are all public domain or free to use. The picture of the pope spinning a basketball on a pencil is rad and absolutely deserves its place at the top of the article; we rarely get cool images like that available for use on the project.
  • Thank you!

Ok, these are some very preliminary comments just to kick things off. Let me know if you have any questions. I'll come back soon to do a source review. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti Could you provide the things that require short descriptions? I have no clue lol Arconning (talk) 13:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

I apologize, as I was speaking in generalities. I didn't see any specific examples of similar issues in this article. Thanks for the fixes! Working on a source review right now! ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti I've done the paragraph, as well as the rest of your comments. :) Arconning (talk) 06:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Source review

• Regarding the 2018 Winter Games, the Pope's full comments were "reminds us that, despite our differences, we are all members of the same human family". A heading in the cited reference contains the shorter version present in the article, but this shorter version isn't the Pope's words.
  •  Done, replaced.
• I didn't see a citation that verified While the women's team first match was against AS Roma, losing to a score of 0–10. It's also a sentence fragment. This can be remedied by removing word "While".
  •  Done.
• Although not prohibiting the sport, the nation stated: "athletic activities by women surely had their hygienic function, but harmful excesses needed to be curbed". This is incorrect. While the quoted phrase appears in Vanysacker 2015 on page 808, it is not a direct quote from a Vatican document or official. Instead, it is Vanysacker's summarization of Vatican perspectives. Additionally, this source heavily emphasizes the role of John Paul II; I again encourage you to provide a sentence on his role in elevating Vatican appreciation for sport.
  •  Done, removed. Will add a paragraph including his role in Vatican sport.
• A nitpick, but for this source, Choue Chung-Won is described as present at the ceremony but not as directly awarding Francis the 10th dan black belt. I'm also a bit wavering on whether this constitutes RECENTISM, but not nearly to a degree worthy of consideration in a GA. Just a thought for if you take it this to PR or FA.
  •  Done, removed. Wrote the paragraph about John Paul II's role in Vatican sport.

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