Talk:Sonata in C major for piano four-hands, D 812 (Schubert)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 05:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review; the review will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 05:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

• @Whiteguru: thanks, appreciating your effort & looking forward to see your review. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 

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• Comment I know little about the "GA" scheme, but how on earth could this be considered a good article (in English, not WP:GOBBLEDYGOOK) when it has no samples of the score. I'm pretty sure the Schubert duet I do know is in F, but I can't check anything from this. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I started Commons:Category:D 812 – Sonata in C major for piano four-hands ("Grand Duo"), Op. 140, adding an image to it (feel free to add more which may be eligible for the EN-WP article!), which I have now inserted into the article. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Now added a score example (Joachim's orchestration: start of first movement) to the article too. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 

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Lede

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• This work was published nine years after the composer's death;
• more readily appreciated as a piano piece with orchestral effects is an important inclusion given modern renditions of this op.

History

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• The Deutsch catalogue lists three compositions, all for piano four-hands, which Schubert composed during his first couple of months in Zseliz;
• Hints at days of unrequited love;
• Finito: his only public concert after the passing of Beethoven;

Movements

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• music meter for 2 / 2 does not render well. Unfortunately there appears to be no html entity for 2/2 meter . (Or any other time signature)
• (nothing can be done about this.)

Reception

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• The matter of the missing symphony is mentioned: the Gmunden-Gastein Symphony;

19th century

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Schumann raises the matter of symphony succinctly;
• The reminiscences of Beethoven are noted;
• Orchestrated versions are noted.

20th century

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• The need for orchestration begins to be validated;
• (Later) validated criticism arises: 'Schubert's Sonata was void of pianistic characteristics'
• The piano duet version of D 812 is listed by varia performers with times;
• Chamber and Symphony orchestral presentations are noted;

21st century

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Pianists recording the Grand Duo in the 21st century are noted;
• modern exegesis does not reflect well: androgyny, the femininity alluded to by Schumann
• reflections are included: the idea that Schubert would have unconsciously written for orchestra while composing the Sonata.

References

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• It is interesting to note that the term 'Sonata' had ceased to be commercially profitable by 1838 (ten years after the passing of Schubert) and the appellation "Grand Duo" had apparently come to stay.
• Links to many presentations and deliveries of this work given at muziekweb.nl noted;

Sources

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Examined; appropriate
• Interesting reading: Sir Donald Tovey's Essays in Musical Analysis

External Links

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Noted

 

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End Matter

1. Is it is Broad in its coverage?

• Quite so. Many external references cite: Schubert’s Symphony in C Major was originally written as a Sonata in C Major for piano four-hands, D. 812, and remains one of Schubert’s most important works for two pianists. .

1. Is it Verifiable with no original research?

• Extensively referenced with multiple sources.

1. Does the article meet notability guidelines?

• Yes

1. Does it follow WP:NPOV Neutral Point of View?

• Yes

1. Is it stable?

• This article started life on 12 July 2006;
• It has a total of 369 edits;
• 1146 page views over 90 days;
• Minor edit warring is noted during 2020

1. Top editors are

    * Francis Schonken
    * Graham1973
    * Hyperman
    * JackofOz
    * Nemo bis

1. It is illustrated by images ?

• Lede image: is given into the public domain by the copyright holder;
• History image: is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported;
• Movements image: photographic reproduction of a two-dimensional, public domain work of art in the public domain;
• Grand Duo cover: is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 70 years or fewer.
• Joachim's orchestration: is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 70 years or fewer.
• Gold and Fizdale photograph - there are no known copyright restrictions, and conforms to the collection's wishes.

Overall

• Extensive coverage of what is called the most important work of Schubert for four hands; well referenced and sourced. Meticulous attention to MOS.

Conclusion

•  Passed       --Whiteguru (talk) 01:54, 26 February 2021 (UTC)