Talk:shar

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what is this article talking about anyway...

no definition, no sources, no bla bla... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.166.88.113 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Secondhand sources

A source which comments that someone else said something is secondhand information, and can only be used as a source by the commenter. TEDickey (talk) 10:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

credited (sic)

For that sort of statement you need a better source than Gosling saying that he had an early example. Published work is what counts. The actual link in the article by the way also points to a different usenet posting than the one listed in the references. TEDickey (talk) 23:39, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Agree it's not perfect. Have fixed the mixup of the URL at least. Snori (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Looks like a posting to net.sources newsgroup [1] on Oct 1982 is the first *published* but it would nice to have a direct link to an archived copy that we could use as a ref. A pity that we lost DejaNews.Snori (talk) 01:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

I've edited the History section with more info regarding the contributors/authors, with sources as well as re-arranged some of the sources. Gosling is credited with co-writing the first version according to GNU and in the book The Unix Programming Environment. PrinceKael (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I just checked the book cited, and don't agree that your edits corresponded to the actual source, going well beyond it. The topic as previously presented is accurate. You might look for a second reliable source if you want to add information TEDickey (talk) 21:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

For readers without a copy of the book to refer to, here's (barring typos...) what bundle looked like:

 # bundle:   group files into distribution package

 echo '# To unbundle, sh this file'
 for i
 do
        echo "echo $i 1>^&2"
        echo "cat >$> <<'End of $i'"
        cat $i
        echo "End of $i"
 done

There's a date associated with the Gosling quote, which in turn implies some earlier use, which is plausible (1982 is actually a little late). The example given in the book doesn't give a date, and the book is dated 1984. In the 1983 quote from Gosling, he stated that he was not the first developer:

 Once again I am prompted to post my "shell archiver".  I didn't invent
 the idea, but I did write this particular version.

Given the available sources, the most that one can say is "generally credited" TEDickey (talk) 21:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

generally-credited

A single comment in a summary section of a single source doesn't support the term generally credited. TEDickey (talk) 12:11, 24 March 2018 (UTC)