Talk:Scheveningen system

Round-robin tournament

If there's nothing else to say on this, I think this should be merged into round-robin tournament. --ZeroOne (talk | @) 20:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• It isn't really a round-robin, although I suppose you could consider it a sort of team-play round-robin hybrid. What we really need is someone to explain how this tournament format is a favored way to create norm opportunities. Anyone got any good references? Quale 20:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I added another paragraph, but it doesn't specifically mention norms. However, besides the team competition, essentially each player is in a round robin, playing against a variety of people. So for rating purposes, I suppose it is counted as a round robin. A team of players that need norms could play against a team of masters, and that would be an efficient way for them to all have the oppertunity for norms. That seems clear, but I don't have a reference saying that. Bubba73 (talk), 15:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this essentially just "everybody on team A plays everybody on team B in turn, team with the majority of individual victories wins"? 69.109.122.16 (talk) 06:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Bubba73 (talk), 06:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. "System" makes it sound more complicated; I wasn't sure if there wasn't some sort of ranking/scoring thing going on. — Gwalla | Talk 17:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The idea behind providing opportunity for norms is kind of implicit in the design of the event. It might be mentioned in passing in news reports on current Scheveningen-style events. Norms are based on the ratings of opponents faced, so providing "local" promising players a full schedule of higher-rating opponents makes achieving a norm easier, providing the local player scores sufficiently well. Playing the other possibly under-rated players would hurt their chances because it would lower the average opponent rating. The Scheveningen system has been used for some invitationals in Turkey, China, and the US in recent years, but the most famous was at Ramsgate 1929. This is commonly cited in sources as Vera Menchik's best achievement in mixed-sex events, finishing equal second with Akiba Rubinstein a half point behind José Raúl Capablanca. This is somewhat misleading, as they all played on the same team, so they did not play each other, but all played the same team of English masters. Crawftrhas (talk) 12:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

sources

About all of the information in the two sources listed is in the article. Neither Golombeck's Encyclopedia or Harkness' Official Guide has anything. Bubba73 (talk), 04:28, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Standard tables

I understand that one wants to provide an example, but would the examples up to 6 or 8 boards be enough? The examples with 9,10,11,12,13 boards are simply occupying a lot of space and they aren't particularly different than the smallest one.

I am normally against removing info from an article, but in this case it feels overkill to keep examples past 8 boards. 77.11.189.79 (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)