Talk:Sabazios

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Why is Sabazius a separate article? Bacchiad 08:21, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

My doing, I'm afraid. For the same reason Mitra and Mithras are separate articles. Dionysus and Bacchus aren't, but don't youb agree they should be. The Caravaggio is of Bacchus not Dionysus. So, Roman syncretic Sabazius is a long way from the nomadic horseman god imported into Phrygia from Thrace or wherever. Mary, the mother of Jesus and Blessed Virgin Mary quite rightly have separate entries. ... etc. Don't you agree? Wetman 08:38, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Sabaoth

User:Error, since you're convinced by the reference in Britannica linking Sabazios with "Sabaoth", perhaps you'd give an explanation of what's referred to by "From Val. Max. i. 3, 2, it has been concluded that Sabazius was identified in ancient times..." etc. The original quote being referred to would do. Thank you. Wetman 01:12, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I am not convinced. I just quote it quite literally. This version of The 9 books seems to miss 1.3.2.

1.3.3 EXEMPLUM 3. Par. Cn. Cornelius Hispalus praetor peregrinus M. Popilio Laenate L. Calpurnio coss. edicto Chaldaeos citra decimum diem abire ex urbe atque Italia iussit, leuibus et ineptis ingeniis fallaci siderum interpretatione quaestuosam mendaciis suis caliginem inicientes. idem Iudaeos, qui Sabazi Iouis cultu Romanos inficere mores conati erant, repetere domos suas coegit.

EXEMPLUM 3. Nep. Chaldaeos igitur Cornelius Hispalus urbe expulit et intra decem dies Italia abire iussit, ne peregrinam scientiam uenditarent. Iudaeos quoque, qui Romanis tradere sacra sua conati erant, idem Hispalus urbe exterminauit arasque priuatas e publicis locis abiecit.

1.3.2 doesn't seem to mention Jews or Sabazius. It seems that there are two versions of the paragraph. Ask the 1911 redactors.

-- Error 01:41, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Challenged and deleted

The following text has been deleted by someone:

"Later Greek mythographers reduced Cybele's role to 'wife,' but initially Gordias ruled in the Goddess's name as her visible representative."

Anyone with a source for such a fundamentally obvious statement, better yet, supported by a quote, would serve the article well by editing and restoring an improved and extended version of this rather commonplace statement about the role of any archaic king. Meanwhile, alert users of Wikipedia do always read the Talkpages. --Wetman (talk) 01:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Always on horseback?

The final sentence in the introductory paragraph, "representations of him, even into Roman times, show him always on horseback, as a nomadic horseman god, wielding his characteristic staff of power." is directly contradicted by the reference: Eugene N. Lane, "Towards a definition of the iconography of Sabazius", Numen 27 (1980:9-33) in which the author takes inventory of depictions of Sabazius and accompanying iconography. While both characteristics (horseback and wielding a staff) are found in some depictions (individually or together), they appear, based on the Lane article, far from universal, perhaps even quite rare. I don't want to start an edit war, as I'm far from an expert on the subject, but perhaps this line should be removed, or at least re-worded? Placenta Juan (talk) 16:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing that this has to do with how Sabazius was understood in the syncretized religious environment of the High Roman Empire. So perhaps that distinction could be made: between the 'original' rider, and the imperial syncretism? At any rate, please don't feel inhibited by the possible perception of edit warring. Just give it a shot, and if you meet with opposition, then we'll all just try to work it out. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Worshiped in Cyprus?

Can the lamp of fig. 53 in Karageorghis, Vassos (1970). "Chronique des fouilles et découvertes archéologiques à Chypre en 1969". Bulletin de Correspondance Hellénique. 94 (1): 218. be an evidence for a worship of Sabazios in Cyprus? פעמי-עליון (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)