Talk:Rumination (psychology)

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Personal Note: Content of this page led directly to a psychological breakthrough. Thank you, Wikipedians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.133.154.3 (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

-Goals for this page: Include refs to Nolen-Hoeksema's work, the scales to measure it, connection to depression, the chicken and egg question of whether it predicts depression or is a consequence of it, etc. -Montreal Pscyho July 29-2008

-Am a first time writer. Intend to write up an article on Rumination on Sadness, which is a hot topic in social psych. I will need a couple days--Montreal Pscyho July 29-2008

Suggested moving this to Rumination (mental) so it can cover the whole topic, i.e. rumination on whatever issue. See also Major Depressive Disorder and its talk page. EverSince (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, problem is pejorative sense of "mental" makes it sound funny to me... but maybe that's just me...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Heh maybe yeah...dunno. At the same time it is the easier more general term and used by dsm/icd in the term "mental disorder". EverSince (talk) 11:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC) But it is less normal-seeming than (psychology)... EverSince (talk) 12:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not really fussed either way on this one, if it sounds ok to you then I am happy to leave it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really fussed either and if it sounds too odd to you or anyone then I don't mind if it's retitled... EverSince (talk) 13:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I hope nobody minds, but I moved the article to Rumination (psychology) to make it more consistent with articles on other psychology topics. I also revamped the definition, added references, and added a section on gender differences. --Jcbutler (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I hope to add more information about studies conducted to strengthen the description of the relationship between rumination and co-rumination. Jessilucas (talk) 16:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I hope to expand on the material for rumination. My sources will be: Kuehner, C., Huffziger, S., & Liebsch, K. (2009). Rumination, distraction, and mindful self-focus: Effects on mood, dysfunctional attitudes and cortisol stress response. Psychological Medicine: A Journal of Research in Psychiatry and the Allied Sciences. 39 (2), 219-228. doi: 10.1017/S0033291708003553

Roger, D., Borril, J., Forbes, Angela. (2011). Rumination, inhibition, and stress: The construction of a new scale for assessing emotional style. Current Psychology: A Journal for Diverse Perspectives on Diverse Psychological Issues. 30(3), 234-244. doi:10.1007/s12144-011-9117-y

McLaughlin, K., Nolen-Hoeksema, S. (2011). Rumination as a transdiagnostic factor in depression and anxiety. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 49(3), 186-193. doi: 10.1016/j.brat.2010.12.006

Broeren, Suzanne., Muris, Peter., Bouwmeester, Samantha., van der Heijden, Kristiaan B., Abee, Annemieke. (2011). The role of repetitive negative thoughts in the vulnerability for emotional problems in non-clinical children. Journal of Child and Family Studies, 20(2), 135-148. doi: 10.1007/s10826-010-9380-9

Spasojević, Jelena., Alloy, Lauren B. (2001). Rumination as a common mechanism relating depressive risk factors to depression. Emotion, 1(1), 25-37. doi: 10.1037/1528-3542.1.1.25 Mgillaspie21 (talk) 05:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Improvements to this page

I think this article is still lacking quite a bit of information. For example:

• A "Theories" section is needed, which would review Response Styles Theory (Nolen-Hoeksema), the S-REF Model and metacognitions (Matthews & Wells), and rumination as a function of goal progress and the Zeigarnik effect (Martin & Tesser).
• A more in-depth discussion about the differences between rumination and worry.
• A more in-depth review of rumination measurement (e.g., it has been suggested that the the Response Styles Questionnaire measures pondering and brooding)
• Psychological treatment of rumination (e.g., metacognitive therapy)
• Positive rumination (however the literature here is fairly new, so it depends on how much can be dug up)
• Rumination as a transdiagnostic risk factor
• Rumination as an emotion regulation strategy (i.e., attentional deployment)

Also, I question the relevance of the "Types" section and Mikulincer (1996). I have never come across these types of rumination in the literature, which suggests that researchers don't necessarily recognize the types of rumination he has proposed. In fact, the Mikulincer article has been cited only 9 times and looking up those terms in Google Scholar yields nothing to suggest that these types of rumination are generally recognized/acknowledged by researchers. Consequently, the Types section perhaps warrants removal (unless someone can show reasonably widespread use of these terms in the literature). Slyons123 (talk) 01:58, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Great job done with the Theories section! However, the section is based on primary sources and would benefit from adding text based on secondary sources. Lova Falk talk 08:20, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added a few more secondary sources (e.g., review articles) in place of the primary ones I had. I'll look around for more in my spare time. Slyons123 (talk) 22:13, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Treatment?

Read through this page, a lot of good information but I think a "Treatment" section would be a great benefit to the article. I've also noticed most articles on psych conditions/illnesses have a treatment section. I understand that CBT, mindful meditation, and more generally, psychotherapy are used to treat rumination but I have nowhere near the level of expertise needed to write anything about it. Anyone willing to pitch in? Krem1234 (talk) 02:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

rumination vs. worry

As a layman, my operating distinction is that a person ruminates--chews the mental cud--over events of the past, in contrast to worrying, which expresses fear for the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:2C27:7B3D:5A25:B8F6 (talk) 23:34, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Something seems missing

I realize that the talk pages are to discuss the article rather than the underlying subject so I say that something "seems" missing because I am unaware of the academic treatment of this subject (in spite of what I think is an overly academic tone of the article). There seems to be a gap among the repetitive thoughts that are of the type covered in this article and the thoughts covered in articles on PTSD and the article on Negative Automatic Thoughts.

The gap, for example, would include those of a person who repeatedly dwells on a past event (or events) that was perhaps "bad" yet short of "traumatic stress" and in a way that does not involve "negative automatic thoughts" of one's self. We (laymen) think of this pattern as rumination. Yet by the definitions and theories in this article that thought pattern is not considered rumination. The definitions even seem to preclude this scenario.

Specifically, this type of repeated dwelling is not:

• "focused attention on the symptoms of one's distress, and on its possible causes and consequences, as opposed to its solutions". Or,
• "response to failure to progress satisfactorily towards a goal". And does not aim to answer,
• "How do I feel about this event? How can I change my thoughts and feelings about the event? How can I prevent disturbing thoughts and feelings in the future?"

I guess I am suggesting that the lead be expanded or one of the sections updated to include this scenario or an explanation as to why this thought pattern is not considered rumination (or what it is actually considered).

I have some other suggestions for the article but I don't want to appear to be attacking the article in general beyond this main point. One example here is the statement that the contents of the S-REF model "are beyond the scope of this article". That may be true but it applies to a great many topics in the WP, and we consider it to be the case without mentioning it. It is more commonly used expressions in journals or books.

Arbalest Mike (talk) 21:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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Suggestions and edits

The "Sex Differences" section seems to be missing information. There needs to be a further explanation for this section. I have found a more recent study to back up the information already in the section and have expounded on the original information.

Little information is currently provided for "Measurement." The article only provides one type of measurement scale; however, there are multiple widespread tools for measurement of rumination. I have added the other scales I have read to be reliable. BrookeCarr01 (talk) 19:05, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

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