Talk:Ron Fairway

Merge proposal

This article appears to be a POV fork from The Foundations, where there has been a long history of edit-warring: see Talk:The Foundations. I suggest this article be merged back there, as the subject's sole notability appears to arise from his association from that group, and to avoid WP:Content forking. MuffledThud (talk) 12:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree for all the reasons stated.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

First of all MuffledThud, it is wrong to use the term edit warring for the Foundations. All of the hassle arised from an American by the name of Huffman who has over the last 2 years consistently been using the Foundations page to promote his own unassociated band with blatant and misleading promotion. He has resorted to vandalism on various occasions when he cannot get his own way. All other activities are / were from Wikipedia users attempting to correct the vandalism, mess and fake info he has been putting on Wikipedia. I'm really surprised that you didn't pick up on that. It seems strange that you would try and apply that to here in some way. And ..... what has that incident got to do with an article about Ron Fairway ? Also Colonel Tom Parker's sole notability appears to arise from his association from Elvis Presley ! Is he not notable ? Another thing, this article is a work in progress. In the past hasty deletionists have stopped works in progress. Cheers (George-Archer (talk) 04:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC))

I'll leave aside the distinction between edit-warring and what you describe above. This article still adopts the POV that Fairway was "pushed out" as co-manager for the Foundations, with no mention of this in any of the online references. In fact all of the references cited so far are articles about The Foundations, which give only passing mention to Fairway.

I'd say that Tom Parker is notable enough for his own article, not just for his long career as Elvis' sole manager and for their unusual relationship, but also for the highly-publicized legal disputes following Elvis' death, for the controversy over the falsification of Parker's origins, and for the portrayals of Parker on television and film. Much of that doesn't really belong in the Elvis article, so a separate article on Parker is appropriate in my opinion. For what is Mr. Fairway notable, apart from his brief career with the Foundations? MuffledThud (talk) 09:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm glad that you now appear to not be using that edit-warring angle. I'm actually very surprised that you even tried to relate that to this article in question. I do find it quite strange that you tried to bring that in here. Now, as far as POV is concerned, you're way off the mark and I do think that you have assumed too much here. There is no POV on my part. I know from reading various articles in the past that Ron Fairway was pushed out from his position of managment and Barry Class then remained the sole manager. How do I come to this conclusion and how do I know that this is fact and not my own point of view ? Well ...... I now have the liner notes written by Roger Dopson in front of me. See below,

Baby Now That I've Found You, Sequel Records NEECD 300 (1st ed.). UK: Sequel Records

If you can't read the liner notes on line then you can order a copy of this CD album yourself at your local library and in a week or so you can read them yourself. If you continue to have a problem with what I have written even after you have read the liner notes, or if you have a problem with what Sequel / Roger Dopson have published then feel free to contact Sequel Records now owned by the Sanctuary Records Group and take it up with them. Or perhaps contact Roger Dopson himself. His last known whereabouts were at Acrobat record label I believe. He used to work for Sequel / Sanctuary. Perhaps they still have his contact details. Anyway I believe his source was of info about Fairway was from Melody Maker as was my source regarding his legal action against the Foudations. Any more you wish to find out about Ron Fairway the former co-manager of the Foundations and the man who attempted to sue them can be found in Melody Maker. See below,

Foundations Sued (1st ed.). UK: New Musical Express. 02 December 1967

I hope that this helps. Cheers (George-Archer (talk) 04:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC))

Since you're contesting the proposal for merge, the onus is on you to provide WP:Verifiable evidence of notability from WP:Reliable sources. Since there's still no assertion of notability outside of the subject's brief career as co-manager of The Foundations, I'll merge the contents of this article there and propose this for deletion rather than redirect it now. Please feel free to replace the prodded article with a redirect if you like. Thanks, MuffledThud (talk) 19:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I see that your dedication continues in spite of 2 of your three reasons for the validity being proved wrong. First of all you seemingly try and come from an angle that because of a supposed edit war w(hich was nothing of the sort anyway) of the Foundations article, and this somehow ties in with the validity or intent of this article. And that's been proven to no connection. Then you prematurely accuse me of having a POV or slanted angle by putting the POV tag on the page, and if you don't even bother to check the referencing regarding Fairway's sacking which pointed to an actual reference of a published article. I do find this somewhat amusing and strange. Well if Fairway being tied to the Foundations by 3 or 4 events and / or positions....,

* Manager who was sacked * Man who sued the Foundations * Fairway-Class Managment * Fairway - Class managment congratulate The Foundations on a number 1 hit "Baby, Now That I've Found You" (This appeared in Melody Maker and other magazines)

and many other references in magazines is not enough then I suspect that wikipedia will gradually become less interesting. Perhaps at the end of the day the issue is something else .... well then I certainly wouldn't want to ........ hmmmmm(George-Archer (talk) 11:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC))