Talk:Ring of the Fisherman/Archive 1

Archive 1

Resignation

• I added resignation of a pope as a moment when the ring is smashed. This is entirely speculation, however. Phaunt 12:37, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• You are correct. The ring is destroyed during a papal resignation. --Gerald Farinas 03:26, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image

The image of the ring of Pope Pius IX was moved here as it is not the Holy Father's Ring of the Fisherman, but a different type of ring entirely.

Ring of Pope Pius IX

Ring of Pope Pius IX

--Gerald Farinas 04:28, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can you add an image for one that is correct (This was the only one I located)? Kenj0418 04:31, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

This one is a purely decorative ring, not a signet with a raised bas-relief of the image of Saint Peter like the Ring of the Fisherman is. Since this one has a cross of red rubies in it, I think it was worn over the red gauntlets (papal red gloves) during special liturgies. There are matching Papal Slippers, too. --Gerald Farinas 04:37, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've been trying desperately to locate an image of the Ring of the Fisherman but I can't find one. A possible reason: it's always destroyed after a pope dies. Maybe if we can find a photograph of someone kissing the pope's ring? Is that close enough? --Gerald Farinas 04:39, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's probably the best we can hope for (unless and until we get pictures of the next pope's ring). Hopefully you can find a better kissing photo than the ones I came across. The ones I located were distant shots, far enough back to show the Pope and other person in full, so the ring was quite difficult to see. Kenj0418 04:55, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

I found a picture on the web Apr 16, 2005 (Reuters) that shows the Pope's ring. I can't figure out how to upload it but if someone from Wikipedia would like to grab it and place it here that would be appreciated. [Link to Pope John Paul II - Ring of the Fisherman http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20050416/i/r3105241590.jpg]

That's not the ring of the fisherman either. In fact, the pope normally does not wear the ring of the fisherman. Instead, the pope would wear a ring like the one of Pius IX above (a cameo). For reference see the Catholic Encyclopedia article on rings. Pmadrid 20:33, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Added a new image of the ring, it seems to be cut from the AP photo here, though CBS claims it as their own image. *Shrugs*, either way, I used fairusein| Text accompanying the image Pope Benedict XVI, after receiving the woollen pallium and the Fisherman's Ring, both symbols of papal authority, celebrates his installment Mass on Sunday Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 09:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

What hand?

Right or left ring finger? If he is holding his crozier in the left hand it would be hard for a non-attendant to kiss (solita oscula) the ring if on the same hand. Prelates wear their rings on the right ring finger as can be observed when they bless.

"Honeste et secundum ordinem!"- St. Paul?

eminence2@yahoo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.152.3.156 (talk) April 16, 2005

Kissing the ring

I recall that in former times the proper way to salute the pope was to kiss his feet, not his ring. Does anybody know when this changed to the usual episcopal ring kiss? Pmadrid 02:32, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

my question is this. how many people woul get feed with the gold that is in that ring? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.58.150.254 (talk) September 13, 2006

Actually, gold has no nutritional value. 18.252.5.164 08:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Where do I find a list of Papal Rings throughout history?

I'm doing an independent Research Project on what Papal Rings (throughout history) look like. And I by doing a search through some internet search engines (such as google), but sadly I could not find any list of Papal Rings and their history and what they look like, unlike those of the well better Papal Tiara. So please can you people try to help me with this kind of stuff, to tried to help me find a list of Papal Rings like I just described. Thanks. And P.S., can you people please (as I would most execpted) put some extra links here like sometimes you people did at some person's commet answers. I would be happy if you would do that for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.180.135.33 (talk) June 10, 2006

You'll have to look closely at portraits of the popes. And hope that the painter was as interested in rendering the rings accurately. --Wetman 05:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

"Annello Pescatorio"?

"The Ring of the Fisherman or Pescatorio..." Surely Annello Pescatorio is intended, no? --Wetman 02:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

"How is the ring destroyed?"

I know that the rings are crushed after the death of the pope but how are they crushed? i.e. what tool is used — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.136.66 (talk) November 19, 2006

Category: Rings

Is the ring of the fisherman a ring? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toyota Dream House (talk • contribs) 02:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

Suggested change

I would change Upon a papal death, the ring is ceremonially crushed in the presence of other cardinals by the Camerlengo, in order to prevent the sealing of backdated, forged documents during the interregnum, or sede vacante. to ...in order to prevent the sealing of backdated or forged documents during the interregnum, or sede vacante. Using a comma implies that both conditions must be met; my guess is that it is crushed to prevent either backdated documents or forged documents. But, I didn't want to make the change in case there's some fine point I'm missing.

Also, the above comment says that it is smashed at resignation and evidently a change was once made; however, it currently says 'death.' Maybe an <!--HTML comment--> should be added to the code if uninformed people keep insisting on making changes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.208.110.32 (talk) 17:52, August 22, 2007 (UTC)