Talk:Right-wing dictatorship

Africa

African right-wing dictatorships should be included too. They include Rwanda under Habyarimana, Uganda, Sudan, Chad, Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), Apartheid South Africa, Zaire (Democratic Republic of the Congo), Togo under Eyadéma, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon. Also notably the several military juntas in Africa TYMR (talk) 23:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Do we have reliable sources which describe these as both right-wing and dictatorships? If so, is this demonstrably the predominant view? For some nations in that list, neither condition seems likely. - Rotary Engine ^talk 03:33, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

@TYMR Have you read our policy on reliable sources? Many of the sources referenced in recent additions covering Africa do not appear to be reliable. Many of those that might be reliable don't seem to verify the content. - Rotary Engine ^talk 13:22, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for my editing and I will make no more edits on this page. I do personally feel that there are many dictatorships in Africa that could be called Right-Wing such as Malawi under Hastings Banda, Togo under Faure Gnassingbé and his son, Rwanda under Juvénal Habyarimana, Uganda under Yoweri Museveni, Zaire, Guinea under Lansana Conté, Egypt under Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Sudan under Omar al-Bashir, The Gambia under Yahya Jammeh, Chad under Hissène Habré are the ones I feel qualify. TYMR (talk) 15:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TYMR (talk • contribs)

TYMR, it's not about personal feeling. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for my wording, I didn't mean it that literally when I said "personal opinion." But Africa has been through several repressive dictatorships of the Right and Left. Some that are very obviously Right-Wing are Zaire, Rwanda under Habyarimann and Togo under Gnassingbé and the regime under his son. These including the ones I mentioned above, were repressive dictatorships and had very Right-Wing policies which include strong anti-communist views and ethnic supremacy. Zaire has been labelled tropical fascist and its system is similiar to the third-position regimes in Europe due to strong anti-communist and anti-capitalist stances claiming to be beyond left and right. The dictatorship of Rwanda had strong anti-communist stances and also dehumanized and caused genocide against the tutsi people. Togo's regime had very strong anti-communist stances and pro western stances as well. The nations I mention have just as much of a reason to be on here as the other regimes on the list and I don't think that we should be keeping the entire continent of Africa off when there are several regimes throughout history and some today that fit the label.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/united-states-and-rightwing-dictatorships-19651989/4798163AF365CE6B2B1E202EBC608922 https://gsp.yale.edu/sites/default/files/gs13_-_development_ideology_the_peasantry_and_genocoide_rwanda_represented_in_habyarimanas_speeches.pdf https://adst.org/2015/03/the-reign-of-the-snake-the-seedy-tenure-of-togos-president-eyadema/ https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/world/090897obit-mobutu.html?module=inline https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/pdf/10.3366/swc.2015.0107 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TYMR (talk • contribs) 16:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• TYMR, I'm trying to look through these links, which lack organization and explanation. The first is to a book that will probably be very helpful, but you're not pointing at anything in specific and I don't have access to it. The first chapter is about Mobutu--whether that man was truly a dictator or just an autocratic ruler of a kleptocracy remains to be seen, and whether he was right-wing in the regular sense of the word is also questionable. The second link is to a student paper (as note 3 indicates) which hasn't undergone peer review; Habyarimana was a dictator, sure, but whether he was "right-wing" is another matter. His regime with that glorification of the peasantry is compared to that of Hitler, but also to that of Pol Pot (with the difference, the author points out, that Habyarimana didn't have to cleanse the cities of unwanted people because the majority of the people lived in the country). So what I see so far is not really helpful here; I can't search the Verwimp paper but I don't think it says "right-wing" anywhere. It makes one wonder whether the term "right-wing" really applies very well globally. The ADST paper on Togo has similar issues, including not mentioning "right-wing"--in addition it is strangely unorganized and wavers between personal reflection and general observation, but there is no author's name, and it pretty obviously is not a peer-reviewed academic publication. I repeat what I said before: these qualifications cannot be the result of your own opinion or research. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to look some more. But if I may ask, its been difficult for me to find articles that outright say "this dictatorship was Right-Wing" but I have found many that bring up that they were infact a dictatorship and that they were conservative or that they were anti-communist, they banned left-wing parties or executed leftist politicians etc. Policies that are generally Right-Wing. The ADST article says "At the height of Togo’s fame was when a lot of other countries in Africa were moving towards the left and moving towards socialism and communism" which implys Togo was at a rightist direction. I also wanted to mention the articles on the dictatorships in questions through wikipedia leadership or ruling party are listed as Right-Wing. I was looking through the Duvalier Dynasty of Haitis links and did not see a reference to them being listed as Right-Wing but they were indeed Right-Wing and has every right to be on the page. The book I linked on Zaire is the same one used on the wikipedia page for Zaire's ruling party when it says "Historians consider the regime Right-Wing." Rwandas former ruling party is labelled as conservative, Far-Right and anti-communist on its wikipedia page. The Togo and Rwanda dictatorships I mentioned both appear on the wikipedia article Far-Right politics in the Africa section. Should all these be removed as well? Does the study indeed need to include the term "Right-Wing" even if the term is not used but describes policies that are clearly Right-Wing? TYMR (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Sources that do not talk about political orientation

There are a large number of sources that do not mention anything about the political orientation of a politician or a government. For example in the case of the Syrian Republic or many African dictatorships. I think many discussions on this page occur for the same reason. 186.32.216.85 (talk) 03:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

There is also a large number of sources which are not reliable - being either junk sources or opinion tier only. Removing some of these. - Rotary Engine ^talk 08:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Singapore

I believed Singapore should remain on the list despite certain people disputing and removing it as:

- The ruling party PAP is mentioned as a socially conservative party that has ruled Singapore uninterrupted since independence and attempt's to weaken the opposition parties and gerrymanders seats

- Dictatorships could still hold elections such as South Korea under Park Chung Hee (prior Yusin) and Turkey under Erdogan.

- Singapore actually oppresses communist and socialist such as "Operation Spectrum" and jailing Chia Thye Poh - Singapore ranks poorly in press freedom index - Singapore arrest pollical dissidents Mhaot (talk) 11:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

None of which makes it a right-wing dictatorship; far less something which is described by reliable sources as a right-wing dictatorship. Relying on original research such as the above is expressly against core policy. Please read WP:NOR. Rotary Engine ^talk 14:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

South Africa

Recently re-added with two sources:; both bare URLs only https://uwe-repository.worktribe.com/output/11141433/from-dictatorship-to-democracy-in-south-africa https://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/chapter-1-victory-nationalist-party-1948

The first is an abstract for an article which is accepted for publication in German publisher Mohr Siebeck's series, "Beiträge zur Rechtsgeschichte des 20. Jahrhunderts". The publisher & series seem reliable; but the article is not yet published.

The second is taken from "From: Lessons of the 1950s By Richard Monroe, March-May 1984". This was originally produced in "Inqaba ya basebenzi #13", published by the Marxist Workers' Tendency of the African National Congress. This is not a reliable source.

Removing pending discussion. - Rotary Engine ^talk 08:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

• Rotary Engine, I don't know who put South Africa back in, but I just removed it, as I did all of Africa, for two main reasons: that content (ALL of that content) was poorly sourced and often poorly edited, and there was no solid sourcing for calling SA a dictatorship. I have the feeling one editor, and one editor alone, is responsible for a lot of this poorly verified and poorly written content. TYMR, not every dictatorship is right-wing. Religious autocracies are not automatically right-wing. Not every repressive government is a dictatorship. Etc. Drmies (talk) 12:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• TYMR, were you serious? Sourced to History.com and a page from the National Park Service about the home of Abraham Lincoln? And none of those sources verify "right-wing dictatorship"? Drmies (talk) 12:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Colonies

The list currently includes a number of African colonies of European nations. These were not independent nations with their own dictators. Should these continue to be listed separately or are they better covered under the listing for the colonising nation? Rotary Engine ^talk 21:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)