Talk:Pudu/Archive 1

Archive 1

Little Dee (Comic)

The comic strip Little Dee has been featuring a pudu lately. Perhaps a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.50.254 (talk) 05:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Climbing

They can climb!?61.230.72.211 09:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that's amazing, I almost don't believe it!! --Mitternacht90 23:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite believe it either, but that's what the article says. Dora Nichov 03:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Lordy lordy they're cute! I want a pet one!

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Aren't the Southern Pudu's smaller?

Hmm...

We've gathered our references, some of which are on the Southern Pudu. What I'm trying to figure out - is there is a difference between the two significant enough to merit separate articles?

SixStringz 11:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it. In the this article, you will, of course, talk about both the northern and the southern but in moderation. Let someone else write species specific articles. For example, there is a Horse article and there is a Banker horse article. You are writing an article about a genus or at least a common name grouping. Resist the urge to write all of the articles on Wikipedia :-) Cheers, Wassupwestcoast (talk) 02:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Each species should have its own article, so don't even think about merging them. Whether those two articles are any good may be of interest to you, but it is not your problem. For the moment, get on with the genus-level article and leave the other two to fend for themselves. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 06:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Accent

Why does this article use "pudú" and the articles Northern Pudu and Southern Pudu use "pudu"? It's a silly inconsistency, but I don't know which one(s) to 'correct'. Srnec (talk) 04:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

References

Potential References List
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
MASON, I don't think cities and arkive are considered reputable sources. And I think you're supposed to put in more information for the first 4 or so references--like the organization and whatnotLisa Anne93 (talk) 04:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC) :Off hand,I don't see what is wrong with either arkive - Images of Live on Earth - or CITES - CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora). Both seem decent starting points. Cheers,Wassupwestcoast (talk) 04:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC) Alright, disregard what I said about the sources, just try to add the information about organizations if you can. I'll go put this on your talk page.Lisa Anne93 (talk) 04:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC) Schürer, Ulrich (1986). "Pudu" (PDF). Retrieved 2009-09-17. Benirschke, Kurt (2004). "Chilean (Southern) Pudu". Retrieved 2009-09-17. Huffman, Brent (2006). "Southern Pudu". Retrieved 2009-09-17. "Southern Pudu". Bristol Zoo. Retrieved 2009-09-19. "Southern Pudu". Animal Planet. 2009. Retrieved 2009-09-19. "Fauna of Patagonia: rainforest fauna - Chile". Elavellano Lodge. Retrieved 2009-09-19. "Southern Pudu". Brevard Zoo. 2009. Retrieved 2009-09-19. "Southern Pudu". Arkive - Images of Life on Earth. Retrieved 2009-09-19. "Pudu". Chester Zoo. 2009. Retrieved 2009-09-19. "Southern Pudu". Los Angeles Zoo. Retrieved 2009-09-19. SixStringz (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2009 (UST) Williams, Jasmin (2008-05-22). "Meet the World's Smallest Deer". New York Post. Retrieved 2009-09-17. Pollard, Sarah. "Pudu Puda". University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. Retrieved 2009-09-17. "Chilean Pudu". Minnesota Zoo. 2009. Retrieved 2009-09-17. "Southern Pudu". Woodland Park Zoo. Retrieved 2009-09-18. "World's smallest deer latest arrival at Belfast Zoo". Belfast Telegraph. 2009-09-08. Retrieved 2009-09-20. "Comparative studies of the hair of Pudu pudu and European red deer". NCBI. PubMed. Retrieved 2009-09-20. {{cite web}}: |first= missing |last= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) "First Chilean Pudu Born At Brevard Zoo". WFTV News. 2008-06-04. Retrieved 2009-09-20. "Zoo celebrates deer new arrival". BBC News. 2004-02-18. Retrieved 2009-09-20. "Forest South America". Animal Welfare Institute. Retrieved 2009-09-20. Montes, Gustavo. "Hematology, Serum Chemistry and Physiological Characteristics of Captive South Pudu Pudu Pudu" (PDF). Avances en Ciencias Veterinarias. Retrieved 2009-09-20. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) Lisa Anne93 (talk) 02:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC) "Pudu puda(southern pudu)". Animal Diversity Web (ADW) - online database of animal natural history, distribution, classification, and conservation biology at the University of Michigan. Retrieved 2009-09-19. Geist, Valerius (September 1998). Deer of the World: Their Evolution, Behaviour, and Ecology. Stackpole Books. pp. 119–121. ISBN 978-0811704960. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Nowak, Ronald M. (1999-4-7). Walker's Mammals of the World. The Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 1124–1126. ISBN 978-0801857898. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) IUCN/SSC Deer Specialist Group (1998-6-28). Deer: Status Survey And Conservation Action Plan. World Conservation Union. pp. 38–41. ISBN 978-2831704548. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Meier, Diego. "Distribution and habitat features of southern pudu". ScienceDirect. Retrieved 2009-09-20. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) "The Wildlife of Northern Patagonia". Frontier Patagonia. Retrieved 2009-09-20. "Chilean Pudu". Jacksonville Zoo. Retrieved 2009-09-20. "Southern Pudu". WAZA. Retrieved 2009-09-20. "Southern Pudu". Los Angeles Zoo and Botanical Gardens. Retrieved 2009-09-20. "Deer". Animal Aqua. Retrieved 2009-09-20. Kyleemmroz (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit Summary

AP team - please complete the edit summary when making changes to the article or leaving comments on the talk page - this will allow others to monitor the progress and more effectively assist where necessary! In fact, as a group project, it is essential so that your team may monitor each others contributions. See me in class if you need assistance with this task. JimmyButler (talk) 18:43, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Conversions

Could you offer a conversion for "1,700 meters," and explain what exactly a "hectare" is. If it's the same as an acre than I guess that's cool, but maybe say that. Thanks.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hectare is the area measurement that the world outside the United States uses. It was already converted when I got around to looking, but I found several instances of meter that still did not have the conversion template and I have updated those. Generally, common measurements should be converted, not linked. Donlammers (talk) 12:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I would also split up the information in the opening paragraph into seperate sections.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Once we finish adding all the 'hard facts', we plan on going through and jazzing everything up with some blue-linked words. We'll be sure to link hectares and meters to their cooresponding wikipedia pages in case someone would want further information. And we didn't write the intro, it was already there...we plan on doing that at the end. Thanks for the feedback! Lisa Anne93 (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems like a solid plan, but the only reason I said anything in the first place is because like nine people told me to convert ounces to grams and inches to centimeters, so maybe later someone will tell you to do the same. But not to worry, you seem prepared. As for doing the introduction last... --NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Is it bad that there are already articles on the other types of Pudus?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 00:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

no. this article is about the genus, the other articles are about species. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 12:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

O.K. Hasta Luego!--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I would put that they are endangered in the lead.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

And why is "diet" under "behavior"?--76.0.143.27 (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Someone added the endangerment information in the intro. We put diet under behavior because looking at FA articles, that is where it is found.Lisa Anne93 (talk) 15:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Reproduction time

Intro says reproduction occurs in May to June. Reproduction says it occurs in the Fall. This is puzzling to me, being an inhabitant of the northern hemisphere. Since the Pudu lives both around the equator and far towards the south pole, I would expect seasonal behaviour to be different in different parts of its range. Can you please elaborate. (and translate fall to something more distinct) --Ettrig (talk) 16:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

So, the southern hemisphere, where some pudus are found, experience the fall when we, in the northern hemisphere, experience spring, and the other way around? Yeah, that does need to be clarified in the article.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 19:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Suggested improvements

Hello to all the AP students. Just a quick comment of something that needs improving, the first line! As it stands it makes little sense, and desribing it as "considered the smallest deer" isn't what we like around here. Either it is or it isn't, or perhaps it is one of the smallest. Describing it "considered" raises the question "by who?" Also, the second use of Pudu, in brackets, should make it clear that it is referring to the scientific name of the genus (possibly linking to the article on genera). Good luck! By the way, for the last class I wrote the following article, writing bird articles, if you replace the word bird with mammals you can use it for this article too. Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Along with informing wikipedians if the Pudu is the world's smallest deer, (or one of the smallest deers or not a small deer at all) the first sentence should give a lot more information about the animal, like where it is found. Try something like "The Pude (whater scientific name it has) is the (or one of the) smallest deer in the world and is found exclusively in (whatever country or continent it is found on). That should silence the critics... For now.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful suggestions. We'll be sure to take them into account when we write that Intro, which we thought would be a good idea to do last to ensure that it embodies everything about the deer that it should. Plus, I'm finding facts that would be interesting to have in the Intro as I'm doing research for the other sections, such as what 'pudu' translates to in Spanish.Lisa Anne93 (talk) 03:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The intro should be a summary of what is in the article, not a place to put cool facts. Good facts should be in the main body of the article, but for the most part the intro itself is like a highlights clip of the main article. Coll facts that are important, like it being the smallest deer, naturally belong in the intro, though; the important thing is to make sure they are expanded upon in the main text. All that said, leaving the intro till last is fine, I usually do the same myself. Sabine's Sunbird talk 06:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Many of your internal links are going to disambiguation pages. For example "coat" takes you to a page with a multiple listing of options for the word. Refine the link and correctly format the term so that it takes you directly to the version of the term that your reader requires. I'm not certain about the policy for hyperlinking text; however, there seems to be a case of over kill. The term black is hyper-linked -as in color - is that necessary? The term buff - it would be easier to describe the color using different terms ... Is buff a variation on brown?--JimmyButler (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Here [1] is a tool that shows all of the dab links in the article.--Yohmom (talk) 23:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Climbing

Being a proficient climber,.... I read this and got a visual of a deer climbing a tree. Is there more to this story that would clear up the image? How can it does this? --JimmyButler (talk) 19:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Ummmmm, maybe this is what they were going for [2]--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Zoos as unreliable sources

Unreliable resources. The students used a web resource generated by the Bristol Zoo. It is clearly a user friendly without the scientific jargon - thus a likely place for high school students to end up. The source has been tagged as unreliable. Are zoo's in general considered unreliable sources of information or is it just this particular web site? Also - M.P. are you editing Wikipedia from home - shouldn't you be in my class right now??????? --JimmyButler (talk) 15:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think wikipedia has a general position on zoos, as clearly they vary in size and reputation. I'd consider Bristol Zoo to be a reliable source though, as it's well-established, has a good reputation, and is part of a breeding programme for this deer. It probably wouldn't be a good enough source for FA, but it's plenty good enough for GA, IMO. --Malleus Fatuorum 15:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

We've used zoos as references in FAs I suspect - such as a case where a zoo is participating in a breedng program and states it has animal X. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with Bristol Zoo being a reliable source on this topic anyway. --Malleus Fatuorum 19:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible problems with article

Hello, AP students! Welcome to Wikipedia, from WikiProject Animals! (which you may consider joining, if you are interested) I have found some possible problems with this article, which are outlined below:

•  DoneWhy do you give the scientific name Pudu puda (a binomial name) for an article about a genus?
•  DoneAwkward wording:
  • What is meant by "There is a debate concerning the etymology of the name, but many forms are considered correct." Forms?
  • "Maternal neglect as newborns and a wide range of diseases can decrease the population.", last paragraph under #Social is awkward.

•  Done"Uncommonly seen in its natural habitat...", by humans, you mean.

•  Done::In the same sentence you repeat the same idea thrice, only adding a bit more each time.

•  DoneIs the correct plural of Pudú "pudú" or "pudús"?

•  Done"...much of which consists of crisscrossing well-trodden paths" is also unclear—well-trodden by whom? Humans or pudu?

•  Done being resolved*How reliable is this commercial source?

I think this is good enough for a GA class article, but I think that the references using this citation need to be upgraded before moving the article beyond that. This is basically one paragraph of unsourced statements by a commercial operation. Undoubtedly they have it correct from a local standpoint (it is generally in their self interest to do so), but (for instance) I can't find any more direct source (like ITIS, IUCN, Mammals of the World, ARKive, or even a zoo in Chile) that mention "Chilean Mountain Goat" as a name. The Buin Zoo in Chile only mentions "venadito chileno" ("Chilean Deer"). The Santiago Zoo also mentions "Venadito de los Páramos del Sur" ("Deer of the Moorlands of the South"? ). Neither mention "Mountain goat". This article also does not seem to support the reason given for the name "Because they live on the slopes of the Andes Mountain Range". On the other hand, I have found references to this name in a couple of other commercial articles (google "chilean mountain goat" with quotes), so it might be appropriate to say something like "It is sometimes locally called...", and cite this article plus a couple more. I have not investigated the other places where this commercial citation is used as source, but sources closer to research would probably be better.Donlammers (talk) 16:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

•  DoneMany of the sentences are choppy.

•  DoneWhat is meant by "must outcompete" (#Causes of endangerment)? Do you mean "are outcompeted" or "must compete"?

Intelligentsium 23:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions. We will get to work on those problems right away.65.173.74.93 (talk) 04:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Accent

Resolved

Please note that accents *never* can be used in scientific names (cf. ICZN rules, chapter 7). Consequently, the placement of this article on "Pudú" (with ú instead of u) means that it is on its English (and Spanish) name and should therefore not be cursive. With the exception of the very first sentence, I've left the frequent confusion between "pudú" (= singular) and "pudús" (= plural). 212.10.95.14 (talk) 19:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

So what does all of this technical jargon mean...the article is titled incorrectly?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 04:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

No, the title is correct, but it is the eng. name (not the scientific genus name, which lacks the accent). This had presumably been missed, as the title was in cursive, which would have been correct if it was the scientific name, but not the eng. The latter half of my above comment is irrelevant to the title, as wiki pages are placed on the singular form (WP:Name), but it was relevant to the main text. There were also inconsistencies in the use of accent in the eng. names (Southern Pudu versus Southern Pudú) and the use of caps (this has been discussed numerous times at WP:MAMMAL, but the only real conclusion is that whichever is used, use it consistently throughout the article). I've now dealt with these things. 212.10.95.14 (talk) 15:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Reference #9

The link for current ref #9 appears to be broken.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)