Talk:Ponsonby, New Zealand

Too much timeline data???

An amazing load of data. But encyclopedical??? MadMaxDog 11:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with us keeping the timeline information itself, but I agree it slightly overwhelms the rest of the article. Should we move it to a new home, say Timeline of Ponsonby history? -- Avenue 12:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather see it turned into prose in the History section, but that will also become too long for the article, and should be moved to History of Ponsonby. I realise that's a lot of work, so moving it to Timeline of Ponsonby history would be fine for the time being. Note that many of the references should be moved along with this section.-gadfium 23:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - have added citation tag as well as in-text citations help with verifiability Goldfinger820 02:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

The {{unreferenced}} tag is not appropriate for an article which cites many references. I realise you want inline refs, and that would be an improvement, but it's simply not true to say the article is unreferenced.-gadfium 02:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Response to Gadfium

Hi Gadfium, you changed the article by putting the first "Ponsonby" back into the list, saying that "Bennet" (friend of yours?) added it. DID he have this as a reference in the non-inline list that is provided at the bottom? If not, what distinguishes it from original research? Not trying to be holier-than-thou, but as I noted, my reference notes only the last three Ponsonby's. MadMaxDog 07:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know Edward Bennett personally, but I regard him as a reliable editor (he's the historian who runs the K'Rd walks), and he cited his sources non-inline. While it would be preferable to cite each point inline, the standard of referencing of this article is still above average for Wikipedia. If you still want to delete the mention of Henry Ponsonby, I won't revert again.-gadfium 09:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I know that citing any references at all is still above par for much of Wikipedia, its true, sadly. I guess we can assume that he added it on a more substantial basis than his own opinion. MadMaxDog 09:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Gee, that still sounds pretty snobbish for someone who wouldn't have been able to tell a Ponsonby Road from a Possum three years ago (me). Still, its the definition of OR, isn't it? But as I was meaning to say, its likely that the reference for the fourth Ponsonby is somewhere in the non-inline sources. MadMaxDog 09:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Minor comment

The phrase "No European apparently saw the tree and so its exact location is unidentifiable." is pretty racist. I'd strongly suggest changing it. Sagesse du corps (talk) 09:29, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Timeline citations

I am (slowly) working through adding citations to the history section, and I have run into a couple of issues, that I would really appreciate some help with:

1903 3 December after a blazing row the Ponsonby Yacht club take up residence at the Rob Roy Hotel

• From what I can find online and from the now Ponsonby Cruising Club's own history page, this seems to line up with the Victoria Cruising Club's founding.

1873 A contest for the design of City Park (now known as Western Park) is held. Sir George Grey and Judge Thomas Gillies donate specimen trees.

• For the later part of this timeline entry, I could find discussions of Grey and Gillies donating trees to Albert Park around the same time but not Western Park.

1886 The Ponsonby Baptist Church is built. The 1778 Avery pipe organ is said to be originally from Windsor Castle, a gift from Queen Victoria to Old St. Pauls, Emily Place, which had been demolished the previous year.

• I cannot find the story of it being originally from Windsor castle - both Heritage NZ and the Church itself (https://www.heritage.org.nz/list-details/627/Ponsonby%20Baptist%20Church and http://www.ponsonbybaptist.org.nz/organ.html ) say that there is not much known about its early history.

1902 The Ponsonby Fire Station in St Marys Road is built. It was designed by Goldsbro' and Wade.

• For the later part of this timeline entry, I have corrected the spelling of Goldsbro' and Wade, and they appear many times in the newspapers and other records for several fire stations but I was unable to identify them as the architects of this particular building.

Would anyone be able to help with clarifying and identifying citations for these statements? Ewhite31 (talk) 00:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)