Talk:Plaka

Capital

I've taken out the sentence about Plaka being "the Athens that became the capital" since it doesn't seem to me clear what it means either in the article or in the cited source. Strawberryjampot (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Demetrios Sicilianos

Old and New Athens, even featured on cambridge.org [1]. Exists also in German "Altes und Neues Athen". AlexBachmann (talk) 10:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Michael Llewellyn Smith also isn't a linguist. He's a diplomat. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Same with Dimitris Sikelianos. Plus his book is very old. If the etymology of "plaque" is newer, you can't use an old source to criticize an etymology that didn't even exist at the time it was published. I also asked you for a page number, which you have failed to provide. Why is that? Could it be that it's because you do not have access to the source (which would also mean you haven't read it)? This is absolutely required for [[WP:V|verification], and if no page number is provided, it will be removed. Khirurg (talk) 22:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You want me to buy that the first book that proposed the Greek interpretation was "Blue Guide Athens"? And it would be better to not speculate to what I read and what I didn't. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

That's not what I asked you, I asked you to provide the page number of the source you are trying to add to the article. If you had read the source you have added to the article, it wouldn't be hard for you to add the page number. So once again, where is the page number? Khirurg (talk) 03:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

If you looked at the article, you wouldn't have to ask. I'll just ignore the fact that you wanted to keep this out using "Blue Guide Athens". But alright, that's the reason why it is still Plaka today and not a random Ancient Greek one. AlexBachmann (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Usual drama

You're saying I'm "privileging" hypothesis even though I just moved the relevant etymology section to the top? Alright, go on and we'll see where that goes. If you want changes in the etymology section, feel free to post them here. And one more thing: Please use sources that are suitable for this case before you want to make a change, see more at WP:RS. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Khirurg AlexBachmann (talk) 21:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Nah, you just made sure to move the Arvanitic hypothesis to the top. Tell my why I shouldn't mode the Greek etymology to the top? What makes the Arvanitic etymology more important? As for sources, I am not sure what you are talking about, but everything is solidly sourced, you should read them. Khirurg (talk) 22:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I moved the whole section to the top. I don't think we have to discuss whether the etymology of Plaka is more important or the former names of the quarter. Status quo ante included the Arvanite hypothesis at the beginning, if you have something against it (e. g. somewhat that prevents this according to the Wikipedia guidelines) feel free to open a discussion. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Status quo ante does not apply here. The section is completely different now, and much improved, with the addition of multiple high quality sources. Khirurg (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Status quo ante applies, not for the section but rather for the order of the etymology. The Arvanite etymology has been almost always in the first order, yet you are accusing me of "privileging" etymologies. That's what I'm talking about. So do consent moving the (more) relevant passage to the top? (Some have suggested that the toponym [...] it denoted a place with ancient plaques or marbles.) AlexBachmann (talk) 22:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

There is no status quo ante guideline, and this argument doesn't make sense; the section was expanded with new information. Furthermore, there is no more relevant text; the section heading is § Name, not § Etymology. It makes more sense to mention the history first, and then the etymology. Demetrios1993 (talk) 02:56, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Look. We're talking about whether I'm "privileging" etymologies; I have shown that this accusation is (again) false. Status quo ante (still) included the Arvanite etymology before the Greek one. That's what we're talking about. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)