Talk:Peter Canavan/Archive 1

Photo

There is a good photo of Canavan's goal in the 2005 All Ireland. The only problem is that it is from the Flickr user that I mentioned on the [talk page] - he hasn't give n full Creative commons clearance. It would be a good pic to use mid article, notas the main picture, because it doens't show his face.--Macca7174 01:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thie photo I was talking about has since been removed because it is not cleared.--Macca7174 20:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Dates

This articles says he was playing for Tyrone before his club this doesn't make sense(Gnevin 17:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC))

He was spotted when he was playing in his school teams, and rose up through the underage ranks. THe reason he hadn't played for his club was because there had been a rift between Ballygawley clubs, that led to them not being formally recognised by the Tyrone Board. It's complicated, and I don't know the entire details, but there was a Hogan Stand link describing the situation from the time.--Macca7174 17:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Time to nominate for peer review

It maybe time to nomimate this article for {{peerreview}} as it's one of the best gaa articles what you think (Gnevin 23:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC))

Hey, give it a few weeks, pls. I am back in Ireland and have access to a few books that will be useful (including his 'memoirs' or sorts from 2003) so I will try to improve the article a bit more. cheers--Macca7174 01:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok when you ready you can nominate your self (Gnevin 09:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC))

The article has now been nominated for peer review.--Macca7174 18:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The only feedback we've got so far has been automated. automated responses help formalise the article, but it's not as helpful as we would like.--Macca7174 16:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That maybe all we do get , if we don't get anything useful i will consider nominating for WP:GA and will definitely get feedback from that(Gnevin 17:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

How long is the peer review status maintained usually?? A week, I assume, going by the Nom for Deletion procedure.--Macca7174 16:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Its changes its last until it get right too the bottom of the peer review page (Gnevin 12:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC))

I have removed the peer-review tag, and will put the archive on this page.--Macca7174 20:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review: Archive

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I have fixed the article so that it satisfies the automated reviews, but some human input would be much more useful I think.--Macca7174 17:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to remove this from peer review now. I don't know how to archive the suggestions, but I will save them in Talk:Peter Canavan, and get a more experienced user to do this properly.--Macca7174 20:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Good Article

I went ahead and nominated this for WP:GA. I hope this wasn't too bold, but Gnevin had already considered this about 10-12 days ago if we didn't get decent feedback from the Peer-Review. I don't think we did get much help from the Peer Review, apart from a few policy-adhering adjustments.--Macca7174 20:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a GA reviewer and don't know that much about it, but a few points would be: As said on the talk page, the article needs an image, but this could be difficult to get. The headings need to be checked so that none (unless needed) have capitals on the words after the fist (ie. Other Competitions -> Other competitions). Besides that the prose is good, and the referencing is perfectly fine. As said I'm not going to make the decisoion as to pass or fail this, but it seems pretty good. And thanks for the feedback on 'Round Springfield, much appreaciated. Gran2 15:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

that's ok - thanks for the feedback.--Macca7174 17:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Fail GA

Afraid I'm going to have to fail this GA nomination:

1.) Well written? Although a lot of information is in the article it is separated into too many small sections. There are many one sentence paragraphs that would be better either, expanded into full paragraphs or combined with others. The lead could probably be expanded for this length of article. Templates are normally found at the bottom of the article and in my opinion this would be preferable so that the prose is not broken up.

2.) factually accurate? The references look good with most statements having a citation. The information about his family in personal life could do with a reference.

3.) broad in its coverage? Yes covers all main aspects but could have more information without becoming excessively long.

4.) neutral point of view? Yes

5.) stable? Yes

6.) contains images? Fair use with rationale.

Overall it is close to GA status however needs a tidy up of the sections and improvement in the flow of paragraphs. Hope this helps you improve the article - I'm sure it can make GA status in the near future. - Suicidalhamster 23:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Should it of been put on hold for 2 weeks for such a minor failing ? (Gnevin 01:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

Re-Nom feedback

I have no idea about gaelic football, but I did take 5-10 minutes to read the page. A few thoughts:

• Refs good
• Never really good to have red links, what I would do, is just have it as normal black.
• Pictures (although you don't need it for GA standard), it would be good to have a picture, probably around the 2003 section.
• Is there anyway to convert the templates into one, they seem to take up a HUGE amount of room!!

Only my opinion; hope that's helped! Neldav 19:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination review

I have begun the review on this article. It is not complete, but you can look here for current progress. Although a final determination (pass, fail, hold) has not yet been made, I recommend getting started on the issues. Also, if you see I have misread something, or am understanding something incorrectly, feel free to leave a message about it here or on my talk page. Be bold in correcting my possible mistakes! Regards, LaraLove^T/_C 18:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

Titles

Wp:mos#Wording states "In a heading, capitalize only the first letter of the first word and the first letter of any proper nouns, and leave all of the other letters in lowercase." The following changes need to be made:

• Under Age career → Under-age career
• Early Senior career → Early senior career
• Late Senior career → Late senior career
• Inter-county Retirement → Inter-county retirement

'Senior' is from the title of a competition, the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship, and is the more formal use of the term. I would argue that senior remains capitalised. I should have spotted retirement though. Sorry.--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Is the capitalisation of 'senior' still an issue, or was my reasoning sound?--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Done

Sorry I didn't come by sooner. I apparently removed the article from my watchlist, which I did not intend to do. Moving along, I think that should be fine. LaraLove^T/_C 05:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Infobox

• Image is inappropriate. See Images below.

I'll have to address the image issue, but I'm almost certain the information is accurate - I didn't put citations on it, because it's not a practice I've seen on many other articles, (eg. Marlon Brando, Denis Law (A featured art.)--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

That isn't the issue. It's a copyrighted image. That is unacceptable for infoboxes. Additionally, copyrighted images for living persons, even with fair use rationales, are almost never permitted. The reasoning being that it is not impossible to replace the image with a free use image. Because they are alive, someone could take a photo of them. Exceptions are of important events for which the image specifically depicts that could not possibly be recreated... and these images are not to be placed in the infobox. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

PS. Regarding the fore-mentioned articles. Marlon Brando is dead, so there's a different standard for using copyrighted images with fair use rationales. Denis Law infobox contains a screenshot from a movie. While copyrighted, there is a different standard for those as well. Same as book, movie and CD covers, for example.

Image removed from infobox--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikilinking

Words should typically be wikilinked no more than twice per article. Once in the lead and then the first appearance in the body. Although, it is acceptable, in longer articles, to wikilink words as they appear in separate sections. I have found that this article has several words wikilinked in several appearances, if not all of them. Examples include: Armagh, Derry, Kerry, Galway, Ireland, Gaelic Games, Mickey Harte, Stephen O'Neill, and Eugene McKenna.

It should be noted that a few of the examples you quote are different links eg [[:Ireland international rules football team|Ireland]], [[:Ireland Rugby|Ireland]], (and this also applies for [[:Ulster]] - [[:Ulster GAA|Ulster]], [[:Ulster Senior Football Championship|Ulster]], [[:Ulster Rugby|Ulster]]) - but I have mostly addressed the other examples.--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I just don't get it, but why pipe the links like this? Is this common practice? (I've not seen this done before, but I've not reviewed but a dozen or so articles.)

I assume piping means showing Ulster, when I am linking to Ulster Rugby? It is common practice among sports fans and writers in Ireland and Britain to just say the team name. There are many instances where the team name overlaps into various different sports because they are usually define by the same regions. So an Irish example is Munster Rugby or Munster GAA - which would both be addressed simply as Munster. An English example would be Leicester City F.C. (a soccer team) or Leicester Tigers (a rugby union team), who would both be commonly addressed as Leicester.--Macca7174 11:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Lead

Wp:lead#Provide_an_accessible_overview states "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any." The lead of this article does not accomplish this.

Wp:lead#Length states "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than three to four paragraphs." For this article, I believe its length justifies no more than three paragraphs.

Do you recommend merging paragraphs 2&3 into one large paragraph?--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The four paragraphs look good right now. I need to read through and verify that all information in the lead is expanded upon in the article, but as I read just the lead, it looks fine now. --LaraLove^T/_C 04:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)  Done

• First paragraph:
  • Doesn't read smoothly. I recommend rewording.
    • I shall look into this.--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC) Done
• Second paragraph:
  • "After sixteen years as a Senior inter-county scene... he is considered..." - "Senior" → "senior". Also, maybe its because I'm American and there's a possible difference in meaning, but I don't understand how someone can be a "scene". Is there a typo there? Maybe "as a" should be "in the"?
    • Should be fixed - please have a look.--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC) Done
  • "...and joint third overall[4])," - move citation to after punctuation ("...overall),[4]"). Done
  • "sources such as John Haughey of the BBC,[5][6]" - Remove italics. Comma → period (full stop). Done
• Third paragraph:
  • This seems like too much detail for a lead. Summerize and expand in the body.
    • I will look into this.--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • "Tyrone were a 'one-man show,'[9]" → "Tyrone was a "one man show",[9]..."
  • "...but the continued emergence of skilled players ... mean that burden..." - "mean" → "means". Done
• Fourth paragraph:
  • The second sentence can be broken down into two.
    • Please review.--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC) Done
• Fifth paragraph:
  • One-sentence paragraph. Information is not expanded upon in the article.
    • I wasn't sure where to put this. It is a significant fact, however, similar to Zinedine Zidane's baldness, or Robert De Niro's mole (although I am aware that neither of these articles actually mention said distinguishing marks). Would it be better placed in the Personal life section?--Macca7174 19:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
      • If it must stay in the article, I would say that Personal life would be the most appropriate section. However, the information is quite trivial and not necessarily appropriate for an encyclopedia. It's not the same as Mikhail Gorbachev's birthmark. As for your other comments, I'll look over them later today. It's been a long day for me. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
        • I have decided to hide this paragraph.--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC) copy removed.--Macca7174 15:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Personal life

• First paragraph:
  • In first sentence, "nineties" → "1990s". Done
  • Reword second sentence. Wikification of Cookstown Done (and possibly Holy Trinity College).
  • Third sentence not grammatically correct.
  • Hogan Stand needs to be italicized. Done

Under Age career

• First paragraph:
  • In first sentence, what is a "GAA"? This needs to be spelled out, wikified (if possible), and GAA put into parenthesis. Done
  • Also in first sentence, "bye" → "by". Done (Note: I found out that it can be spelled byelaw, although bylaw seems to be more common. If byelaw is the common spelling in Ireland, that would be the proper spelling for the article. Sorry for any inconvenience.) --LaraLove^T/_C 05:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Second sentence not grammatically correct. Done
  • Need to rework whole paragraph. Done
• Second paragraph:
  • Unwikilink stand-alone years. Although this is up to the main article editor(s), it is generally recommended that stand-alone years not be wikilinked. Additionally, this is not done consistently throughout the article. Done

Early Senior career

• First paragraph:
  • First word, "Peter's" should be "Canavan's". Done
  • Sentence needs to be broken down. Done
  • Under-21 needs to be explained and "(U-21)" placed after its first appearance. Subsequent appearances need only be "U-21". Done
• Second paragraph:

(NTS: Check policy regarding spelling out numbers vs using digits for sporting event points.)

• • There needs to be a line added between this paragraph and the next.
• Third paragraph:
  • "This made him Tyrone's most represented player on the All Star Roll of Honour, joining Eugene McKenna, his then manager, with three." - Wouldn't this have him tie as most represented player? Done
  • "significant number" would be better if replaced with the actual number. Done
  • "Canavan's injury was so severe, he was still..." - The comma needs to become "that". Done
  • "...for over a year,[5] and speculation abounds as to whether he was playing on a broken foot." - Comma needs to become a period. Done

1997-2000: International stage

• Australian and Ireland need to be wikilinked. Done
  • Note: Only on first appearances.
• Adelaide → Adelaide, South Australia Done
• "However, the drawn All-Ireland final that year between Kerry and Galway meant that six players would be unavailable for the tour because the replay was only a day before the first test, and all the players on standby were called up." Needs to become two sentences. Done

Late Senior career

• "Tyrone Seniors" → "Tyrone seniors". Or is this a team? This is not explained.  Done
• "...a claim given weight by the fact that earlier in the year, they won their first National League." - The comma needs to be removed, I believe. (NTS: Check difference in standards for commas between American and British use.) Done
• "Tyrone were heavy favourites..." - (NTS: Check for possible difference in standards between bands and sports teams in regards to pluralization.) Done
• "Canavan won his fourth All Star that year, the only Tyrone player to do so, which may go some way to emphasizing the value of his presence on the team." - There is unnecessarily placed on the line following the first paragraph. It needs to be backspaced to be the last sentence. Additionally, the use of "—" would be more appropriate than commas. Even parenthesis would be more appropriate. Done
• This also made him Tyrone's most represented player on the All Star Roll of Honour, overtaking Eugene McKenna, his manager at the time. - Citation.

 Done

2003: Championship glory

• "He started the match, and was taken off before half time." - Remove the comma. Done
• "His appearance in the Final was remarkable" - Should Final be capitalized? Done
• Space between the second and third paragraph. Done
• "With seven minutes remaining, he was re-introduced by manager Mickey Harte, a shrewd, albeit necessary, move, considering Canavan was the only member of the team who had played in an All-Ireland final before, in 1995." → "With seven minutes remaining, he was reintroduced by manager Mickey Harte. It was a shrewd—albeit necessary—move, considering Canavan was the only member of the team who had previous played in an All-Ireland final." The year is irrelevant and causes the sentence to read awkwardly. Done
• "...player's legacy, and inspiration, and..." - Remove the comma after legacy. Done
• "...due to Stephen O'Neill, the first choice penalty-taker, being on the bench." → "...due to Stephen O'Neill (the first choice penalty-taker), being on the bench." Done
• "He took the kick, and managed to find the net, which he now describes as..." → "He took the kick and managed to find the net. He later described the kick as..." Done

BBC Sports Personality of the Year

• Change the - to — (the second dash, found in the "Insert" bar under the save page button) and remove spaces. Done
  • Are you sure the spaces should be removed—it looks too much like the word has been hyphenated?--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)  Done
    • I looked over the guideline. It's a preference; either is acceptable. You can remove spaces or not. LaraLove^T/_C 05:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• "He lost to Johnny Wilkinson, who almost single-handedly kicked England to Rugby World Cup glory in November of that year." - First, "almost single-handedly" doesn't read right. Why are there details of someone else in Canavan's article?
  • I was trying to add context to why Wilkinson won but I suppose it is a tad superfluous.--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)  Done
• "He was voted the Northern Ireland Sports Personality of the Year.[39]" - Who? Canavan or Wilkinson? If Wilkinson, who cares? This article isn't about him.
• Note: This section seems irrelevant. He didn't win the award, so why even bring it up?
  • until England won the world cup, there was very few contenders for this very prestigious award. If Canavan had won, it would have been a major upset, since most of the population of Britain probably wouldn't have heard of him. I have hidden the section - I am always opposed to outright removing whole paragraphs/facts - this can be reversed much more easily--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I've reworked this focusing on the award he won , i think its better (Gnevin 20:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)) Done

2005: Championship swan song

• First paragraph: Done
  • What's an 'impact substitute'? Also, the 's should be changed to "s. Done
  • De-wikilink 2005. Done
  • "...the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte chose Canavan..." We just established in the previous section that the manager is Mickey Harte. Done
  • "All Ireland Final" - In the previous section it was "All Ireland final". There is an inconsistency in the capitalization of final. I presume it should not be capitalized, but whichever is correct, it needs to be consistent throughout the article. Done
  • The sentence would be better if written more like "Despite this, the Tyrone manager chose Canavan on the starting line-up of the All Ireland final. This proved to be a great tactical decision for the team, as he was instrumental in the defeat of Kerry, scoring Tyrone's only goal resulting in a win on a scoreline of 1-16 to 2-10.[40]" Or something like that. Less commas, more periods. Done
  • He recieved a pass from Eoin Mulligan on the edge" - Missing period. Also, it doesn't make sense, possibly because I don't understand the sport. Edge of what? If this is obvious to a fan, ignore me here. Done
    • This was a markup error on my part - I was hiding an image, but had hidden some of the copy as well. It is now resolved.--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
• Second paragraph:
  • Start with "Canavan" instead of "He". The first paragraph starts with "He" and the following with "Him".
    • I have edited the first paragraph to say Canavan.--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Done
  • "Tyrone won a free kick in the last seconds, and Canavan, a substitution took the responsibility of the pressure kick and simply slotted the ball over the bar with literally the last kick of the game to win the match for Tyrone." → "Tyrone won a free kick in the last seconds and Canavan, a substitution, took the responsibility of the pressure kick and slotted the ball over the bar in the last kick of the game, winning the match for Tyrone. Done
• Space between second and third paragraph. Done
• Third paragraph:
  • "His fiery temperament was displayed earlier in that championship however, as he was notoriously sent off within a minute of coming on as a substitute in the Ulster Final replay, again against Armagh." - First, if this took place earlier in the championship, it should be placed appropriately so that events are described in order.
    • Is it not more important to discuss the most important aspects first - ie his winning of the trophy, and scoring the goal in the final?--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Move to flow better (Gnevin 20:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)) Done
        • I feel chronological order is important. It can be confusing to readers to skip back and forth through a time line. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Second, as it is written now, punctuation is off with the "however". There should be a comma before and after, unless there is a difference with this between American and British English. Done
  • "This decision, along with the dismissal of Armagh's Ciaran McKeever, and also Tyrone's Stephen O'Neill, was highly criticised, however, and the referee later admitted he had made a mistake with the sendings off." → This decision, along with the dismissal of Armagh's Ciaran McKeever and Tyrone's Stephen O'Neill, was highly criticised.‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.›  However, the referee later admitted that he had made a mistake with the sendings off." Done

NTS: Check reference [44] to see if it covers both sentences.

• • It does.--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 Done

Other awards

• "Canavan was part of both Tyrone sides that won the National Football league title two years in a row in 2002 and 2003,[5] and he competed in the 1992 final against Derry." → "Canavan was part of both Tyrone sides that won the National Football League title two years in a row—in 2002 and 2003—and he competed in the 1992 final against Derry." Done
• "...one Dr. McKenna Cup in 2005." - Remove "in 2005". Other titles do not have years listed. Done
• "...University of Ulster, and was awarded along with..." → "...University of Ulster, which he was awarded along with..." Also, this is the first time Ulster is wikilinked, although it has appeared previously. It should be wikilinked in its first appearance. Done

All-Stars

• "Canavan won three GAA All-Stars Awards in a row between 1994 and 1996, including the Player of the Year award in 1995." → "Canavan won three consecutive GAA All-star awards from 1994 through 1996 and the Player of the Year award in 1995.  Done
• "He also received three GAA All-stars in the 2000s, one in 2002, and another in his first All-Ireland winning year 2003." → "He also received three GAA All-star awards in the 2000s. One in 2002 and another in 2003, the year of his first All-Ireland win. Done

Club career

• "Tyrone All- Star" → "Tyrone All-star" Done
• "The club has a rich history in Canavan's years, winning six Tyrone Senior Club titles, and two Ulster Club Championships." → "The club has a rich history because from Canavan's years, winning six Tyrone Senior Club titles and two Ulster Club Championships." Done

Inter-county Retirement

• "'playing through'" - Remove the 's. Done
• "forty ninth" → "forty-ninth" Done
• "All Star" → "All-star" Done
  • The title is actually All Star - the inconsistency in the article has now been addressed.--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Done

References

• Many are not currently formatted correctly. Fields omitted in tag unnecessarily.
  • What does this mean?--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Use of the Cite web template is prefered. All applicable fields should be included, and fields you don't use should be deleted. If you need help with this, drop a line on my talk page and I'll help you. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
      • OK, I have sorted out the reference footnotes now I think. Could you review??--Macca7174 15:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• Because the article has already failed on other criteria, I did not go through each reference to check verifiability. When renominated, if reviewed correctly, each link should be checked to verify that it does state what is claimed in the article. Be sure to include page numbers for PDF files, books, magazines, etc, if applicable.

Images

• Image:Petercanavan.jpg Done
  • Infoboxes images MUST be free images when depicting a living person. This one must be removed.
    • This image has been deleted, unfairly in my opinion - it definately does depict a historical moment - i was working my way to taking it out of the infobox.--Macca7174 19:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Done
      • It can be re-uploaded if appropriately licensed. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Image deleted not an issue (Gnevin 19:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC))

• Image:Canavan UUJ doctorate.jpg
  • Personal life doesn't mention anything about a doctorate and barely mentions his daughter. Therefore, fair use rationale isn't sufficient. - image removed--Macca7174 15:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
• Image:Canavan 2003 All Star - Sean Kelly.jpg
  • Considering this image illustrates a particular event discussed in the article, a fair use rationale is sufficient. Tag will need to be changed to that for a living person.
    • What does this mean??--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
      • There are various tags/templates to place on images. I'll have to look for the one that is appropriate for use here. I don't think it's listed witht he complete tag. If I remember correctly, you have to add "|biography=yes" to the non-free-use tag. But I need to check on that. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
        • I have added "|biography=yes" to the tag, but it doesn't seem to have made any difference (including to the categories). Also I couldn't see any indication to do that in tags/templates pages...?
• Image:Canavan 2005 final goal.jpg is licensed under {{cc-by-nd-nc}} and is, therefore, unacceptable for use on Wikipedia. Additionally, the image is of the finals and there is little mention of that in the section.
  • I am in discussion with the Flickr user whose took the picture, and he had intended to release it properly - I was unaware that non-commercial images were not satisfactory (why is that?). Would it be sufficient if I hide (<!-- with this markup --> the picture until the image is released? I can't see it taking any more than a few days.
  • It does mention the final - Despite this, the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte chose Canavan on the starting line-up of the All Ireland Final, which proved to be a great tactical decision for Tyrone as he was instrumental in the defeat of Kerry, scoring Tyrone's only goal, winning on a scoreline of 1-16 to 2-10.[41] He recieved a pass from Eoin Mulligan on the edge of the area, and drilled a low shot past two Kerry defenders and the goalkeeper. The image immediately follows.--Macca7174 19:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Ah, I don't know why that didn't click for me. Then it does have a legit fair use rationale, but it still has to be relicensed. It can be re-uploaded if that happens. --LaraLove^T/_C 04:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
      • The licence has been changed to {{cc-by-sa}}--Macca7174 17:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Done
        • To answer your question of why non-commercial images are not acceptable for WP; WP is licensed under the GFDL which releases all content for free-use so long as WP is cited and the site it is used on uses the same license. This includes images. However, if an image is not licensed for commercial use, it can not be released under GFDL. Therefore, if answers.com, for example, picks up the WP article and reuses it there, they can not legally use the image. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Conclusion: Failed

This article reads more like one for Tyrone than for Canavan, at times. Done
The prose is not up to standards; the article requires a substantial amount of rewording. There are several MOS issues. Overall, it's not a bad article. It definitely has potential, but these issues need to be addressed before renomination.

If you have any questions regarding my suggestions, please feel free to drop a line on my talk page. If you feel this decision was made in error, you can request a review. Thank you for your hard work so far, and good luck with future edits. Regards, LaraLove^T/_C 05:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I wish you weren't so quick to fail the Nominee - a lot of these issues could be addressed quite quickly, or need to be discussed further, we just needed time to see them first. Putting the article on hold would have been more productive I think.--Macca7174 15:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I think i could be sent for review , i mean of the expansive list about it is currently failing 2 minor things Good Article Review , this is the most comprehensive GA review i've ever seen , good work by LaraLove but i think its slight harsh . (Gnevin 19:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC))

If you didn't agree with the failure, you could have taken it to GA/R. However, I failed it because of the volume of issues. It failed quick-fail criteria, but I think articles should be given thorough reviews, so I did so anyway. I'm glad progress has been made, but it still doesn't meet standards, which leads me to believe my decision was justified. I've added some issues I've noted with references above. Keep up the good work. --LaraLove^T/_C 05:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you point us towards any particular MoS issues that need to be addressed??--Macca7174 15:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)