Talk:Pedro (card game)

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Louisiana Variation

WRONG! 14-28 can only be bid if you have a minimum of A and 2 in your hand and obviously you wouldn't bid 14-28 with that so other cards would be required.

Cut-throat means you can cut an off card with a trump to win a 5 or take the lead whether you have that off suit or not. So basically you don't follow suit. The variation described above is called follow suit.

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Orphaned references in Pedro (card game)

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Reference named "mcleod":

• From Pitch (card game): McLeod, Pitch.
• From All Fours: McLeod.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Origin of Pedro

I reverted a recent edit as it was uncited, but have since found the source: Mylar, Isaac (1929). Early days at the mission San Juan Bautista which is "a narrative of incidents connected with the days when California was young" and covers the period 1855–1880 in San Juan Bautista, California. The relevant text, which appears to refer to the period around 1860, is:

Adjoining this drug store, on the west on Second street, was a residence occupied by Pedro Carlos. Carlos was the son-in-law of Manuel Larios. He was a barber and had a shop in the same building in which he resided. He, at one time, owned a home on an elevation on the road to Sargent station known as the McKee place. It is still in the possession of some of the McKee heirs. Pedro Carlos will go down into history as the inventor of the card game “pedro.” He, in his leisure moments, would derive great pleasure from card playing and finally he evolved the game of pedro, which game is now played throughout the United States. But few people realize that pedro was invented in San Juan. Another game popular in early days, in San Juan, was pitch seven up. Carlos enlarged this game by adding the five spot of trumps.

This tallies with the development of Blind All Fours, known in America as Pitch into Commercial Pitch, Pedro, Pedro Sancho and Dom Pedro whose first rules appear in the 1868 Modern Pocket Hoyle. However, there are a couple of caveats: firstly it is stretching it to say that Pedro Carlos "invented" the card game of Pedro since it is simply another variant of the All Fours family. Secondly, the related game of Don Pedro or All Fives is recorded considerably earlier than this - around 1840 - and may have been invented during the Portuguese Civil War having been named after the Portuguese King Don/Dom Pedro. Thirdly, Don Pedro/All Fives has a trump 5 worth 5 points (although differing in other ways). It is true that key feature of Pedro was the addition to Pitch of the trump 5 as the Pedro, scoring 5 game points, so it sounds like the last sentence is describing how Pedro Carlos "invented" the game. Fourthly, it is a bit of a coincidence that two similar members of the All Fours family appear to be named after different Pedros. So I wonder if he Pedro Carlos simply introduced, rather than invented, it having learnt of a game with his name from e.g. Irish immigrants who flocked to America in the 1850s. Interesting though, and I will see if we can add it into the article, perhaps under a new history section. Bermicourt (talk) 12:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)