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"Roberston Predicts Mass Kill in USA in late 2007"

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Perhaps this belongs in the external links section of this article? Or in a "Robertson's Prophecies" section that we should create? Link --> [1] mark nutley (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Raw Story

Latest comment: 13 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

[2] See here please, until a consensus is reached at the BLP noticeboard please do not use rawstory.com as a source in a BLP mark nutley (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

RSN (the issue is whether or not the source is reliable) previously found Rawstory.com to be a reliable source, even in BLPs. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Only two people commented on that RSN diff, please wait until we have a bit more input from the BLP board, thanks mark nutley (talk) 22:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
"Consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident", and aesthetics aside, nothing negative was said. I'll give it a day, though.Ian.thomson (talk) 22:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

ex-Baptist minister

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

This phrasing ("ex-Baptist minister") is confusing. It seems to imply that Robertson is no longer a Baptist, as opposed to still a Baptist, but no longer a minister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.240.112 (talk) 06:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Please learn English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.31.71.46 (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

BLP rules

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

the WP:BLP rules are very strict regarding negative statements about living people. when an editor uses severe POV language about Robertson that is clear evidence the editor is not trying to achieve a neutral point of view. Rjensen (talk) 07:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Quotation of satirical source re: Virginia earthquakes

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The quotations regarding the 2011 Virginia earthquake is attributed to the Borowitz report, a satirical publication. It should be attributed to a factual source or deleted. Zeke.Weeks (talk) 20:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I reverted it and dropped a note on the talk page of the user who added it. Horologium (talk) 01:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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9/11 Apology

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The article states both Pat & Falwell apologized, but the provided source only has an apology from Falwell. We need a source for Pat's supposed apology or the claim needs to be removed. --208.38.59.163 (talk) 20:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Alzheimer’s

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This issue seems to have gotten considerable attention,[3][4] including comments from fellow evangelical leaders. We should probably include at least a very brief mention. Perhaps something like:

  • Robertson endorsed the divorce of spouses with Alzheimer’s disease in a comment in September 2011, calling it a "kind of death". He received criticism for it from a number of sources including other evangelical leaders.

Maybe we could make it even shorter. Thoughts?   Will Beback  talk  08:51, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

No mention of Mayan Calander-based doomsday predictions?

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This guy spent years using the ending of the Mayan Calendar to support his Doomsday predictions. Deserves to be incorporated into the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 18:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 March 2013

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

In the section below, "responses" is misspelled "ressponses" in the second sentence.

  Done RudolfRed (talk) 03:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 April 2013

Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

This page is highly lacking in factual information. For example, the section on his books does not list his book, except for one, which is accompanied by a criticism that suggests he may be antisemitic. You should add:

"This criticism is contradicted by the facts that Pat Robertson has been awarded numerous times by Israel and pro-Israel societies, including:

  • State of Israel Friendship Award by the Chicago chapter of the Zionist Organization of America
  • Millennium Jerusalem 2000 Council Award by the State of Israel Jerusalem Heritage Study Programs
  • Defender of Israel Award in 1994 by the Christians' Israel Public Action Campaign
  • Distinguished Merit of Citation Award in 1979 by the National Conference of Christians and Jews

He is also a regular speaker at pro-Israel events.

His books include the following:

  • Right on the Money
  • Miracles Can Be Yours Today
  • Courting Disaster
  • The Ten Offenses
  • Bring It On
  • Six Steps to Spiritual Revival
  • The End of the Age
  • The Turning Tide
  • The New World Order
  • The New Millennium
  • The Plan
  • America’s Dates with Destiny
  • Answers to 200 of Life's Most Probing Questions
  • Beyond Reason: How Miracles can Change your Life
  • The Secret Kingdom
  • Maximum Security
  • My Prayer For You
  • Shout it from the Housetops

References:

(A question: Why is this page not available for edits? I would have edited it nicely for you if it was.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jciloa (talk • contribs) 06:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Jciloa (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Controversies and criticisms

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Main article: Pat Robertson controversies

As a commentator and minister, Robertson has occasionally addressed controversial topics, and made a number of bold statements to draw attention to a wide-range of issues that have attracted criticism as well as support. Some of his remarks have been the subject of national and international media attention prompting ressponses from politicians. Robertson has remained an influential figure regardless of his occasional history of bold or controversial remarks.

Michael.helms (talk) 01:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Climate Change

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I noticed that the source for the Global Warming remark is a dead link. Perhaps this YouTube clip would be a fitting replacement as an External link? This could also prove useful. It's worth noting however, that Pat has since strongly reversed his position. He now regularly dismisses climate change as a religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.136.184 (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Mercy flights were diverted hundreds of miles from the crisis to deliver equipment to a diamond mining concession

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an imposter

Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Dear Pat Robertson Did you know that there is an imposter of whom is claiming to be you on Facebook with your picture on the page. He or she speaks like an illiterate with a lot of cursing and weird theories. All you have to do is type in your name and see this. For the picture of you is at the top of the page and your real Facebook entry is second on the page. I am one of your followers and even worked for the 700 Club many years ago in Metairie, La. as a prayer partner. I thought you should know about this as I know you don't want to be represented as a cursing pastor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.17.136 (talk) 11:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Request

Latest comment: 7 years ago7 comments7 people in discussion

Grammar: first par. under bio. says "youngest of two sons"; but if there are only two, the phrase should be "younger of two sons." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.24.106 (talk) 01:15, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

According to the articles listed below, Pat Robertson's first child was conceived out of wedlock. This was discovered after he kicked off his 1987 bid for the Republican party's presidential nomination stating "We must encourage our children to take the institution of marriage very seriously and to bring back the old-fashioned concept of moral restraint and abstinence before marriage." The articles also state that the date of his marriage is August 27th, not 26th, as the Wikipedia article claims. The Chicago Tribune article further supports the notion that he never saw combat in Korea, as he was stationed at best 2.7 miles from the front lines. Lastly, it also points out embellishments made on his resume about his education and experience in banking at the time of the 1987 bid. I would like to see these four points incorporated in the article, please. Surely transparency, accuracy and veracity are in the interest of an NPOV. Thank you!

Sources:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.201.140 (talk) 05:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

  Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Remember that WP:UNDUE is part of WP:NPOV - we want to represent all viewpoints, but one single article does not necessitate sweeping additions to an article. Also, exceptional claims require exceptional sources. --ElHef (Meep?) 04:03, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I would hardly call my requests "sweeping additions", though I have found some additional sources, as requested, listed above. Also, I checked with the IRC live chat helpers, and they assured me that I didn't need to form my request in the stated "please change x to y" format. Three of the four things I'm requesting aren't currently listed in the page, so I can't ask you to change something that isn't yet there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.213.26 (talk) 06:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Comment. I am not impartial enough on the the topic of Pat Robertson to feel comfortable handling this edit request. If I were to handle it, I would:
  • change the date from August 26 to August 27. You have provided reliable sources for its being August 27. The dates in the three newspaper sources are probably all attributable to the original story in the Washington Post, a reliable source that has had an antagonistic relationship with Robertson, while the Marley book's footnote sources the date to a biography that is reportedly sympathetic to Robertson. Those sources agree, and the August 26 date currently in the article is uncited.
  • be disinclined to make the other changes without stronger evidence that the content in question has received sufficiently significant, sustained coverage to constitute major noteworthy elements in Robertson's life. Child out of wedlock? Yawn. Allegedly not in combat? The article already touches on that. Resume embellishments? Yawn again. As much as I like to see hypocrisy exposed, Wikipedia isn't the vehicle to make that happen. In time, as figures such as Robertson recede into the past and historians and additional biographers have their say, it may well be that it would be appropriate to mention all of these points in the article, even to go into some of them at length. Doing so now might be appropriate, but great care needs to be taken to guard against undue weight. I haven't evaluated the rest of the article, so it's entirely possible that there's undue weight leaning the other way. Such is often the case with articles about living political figures.
Incidentally, for future reference, while you don't need to propose the verbatim text you'd like added or changed, you're likelier to get a positive response by doing so. By asking other editors to "incorporate" your "points", you are essentially asking them to write the additions or changes for you. We're all volunteers here, and the odds are against someone interested enough in the topic to bother happening across your request. Rivertorch (talk) 07:14, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
  Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I have marked this as 'answered' for now to clear it out of the queue. Feel free to re-add the {{edit semi-protected}} template again when you are ready to have the change made :) — Deontalk 13:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Could someone please tell me why it is not possible to edit this article? I am not being hostile; but it's the first time I have ever encountered this situation on Wikipedia. Is it a good idea to have all content funneled through some arbitrary gatekeeper?Lynxx2 (talk) 22:14, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

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Please add Category:Ig Nobel Prize winners
No such category exists. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 14:42, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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Citations needed

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The last sentence of the first paragraph of the Life and career section, Family subsection needs at least one, maybe more than one, citation. Also, the information about finishing near top of Yale law class but failing a Bar exam (however meaningless the latter is, please consult experts)—this appears in the lede and main body, and so is elevated in its importance/viewership. This information is sourced only to a self-published Robertson web page, and needs independent, high quality sourcing. (Note, the latter statement might in some sense be viewed, from that source, as a statement against interest, but the high standing at Yale is not such a statement. And again, the Bar exam-failure statement is not, in my opinion, lede-worthy.) Finally, the article's citation numbers 1, 2, 8, 9, 10, 11, 15, 39, and 40 (at this time stamp) are clearly or arguably non-independent/third party, and so this material should be verified, and sourcing improved (or the content removed). In the mean time, the repeated references among these citation numbers, all to the same Robertson website—these should be consolidated to make clear the repeating dependence of this article on Robertson's own account of his history. At least these sentences/items need attention; let's not let the standards of the article slip, so that this article joins so many others in being partially sourced, and so partially trustworthy, partially encyclopedic. 2601:246:CA80:3CB5:51C4:23F9:BE1:5B81 (talk) 23:55, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2018

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Please address the sourcing issues presented in the newly added Talk section (of this date, and proximate timestamp), above. Also, please—the article appears to have a great deal of puffery in its personal history sections, which therefore seem suspicious in terms of the ultimate origin of those presented facts; moreover, in this academic's view, based on a cursory comparison of content to sources in those sections, the article would likely yield a steady stream of issues if, sentence by sentence, content was compared to the actual material appearing in each source. For instance, the sentence in the Political service and activism section ending with citation 45—none of this sentence's purported factual content actually appears in that source. In the mean time, until this and related issues are addressed, I strongly encourage placement of an article tag that makes clear that the biographical factual content is unsourced or poorly sourced, and so suspect. Otherwise, careful review of the sourcing on the whole is up to those editors of standing that are reading this note. 2601:246:CA80:3CB5:51C4:23F9:BE1:5B81 (talk) 00:10, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

  Not done for now Please use the format "change X to Y". It is very confusing. Please notify me if you have any updates. Regards, Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 13:02, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced category

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Please remove Category:Theistic evolutionists. There is nothing in the article which even mentions evolution, let alone the "theistic" variety of it. Per WP:CATV, all categories must be described in the article body and backed with a reliable secondary source. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 22:47, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

  Done. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Republican Party

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change ((Republican Party|Republican)) to ((Republican Party (United States)|Republican)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4500:1760:5c69:1bb2:1706:9c29 (talk • contribs)

  Done Thanks! NiciVampireHeart 21:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)


Predictions

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Should the 9 October prediction that President Trump's allowing Turkey to invade norther Syrian Kurdish territory may cause the president to lose "the mandate of Heaven" be considered a prediction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.181.22.6 (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

To Mr. Pat Robertson and all who prophecies to US President Donald Trump . Please stop doing things that will put God`s name in shame , Donald Trump is a liar from the beginning and all of you were believing on what he is saying. May the Lord open your eyes and may you see the truth that this guy was only deceiving all off you who believed in him ( Donald Trump ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.52.111 (talk) 02:22, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

update footnote

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Footnote 61 can be updated to this URL: https://www.hinduismtoday.com/magazine/july-1995/1995-07-using-tv-christian-pat-robertson-denounces-hinduism-as-demonic/

instead of the Wayback machine URL.

Arumuganathaswami
Managing Editor
Hinduism Today — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.231.222 (talk) 04:32, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

His wife died

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Thus, he is no longer married. 172.72.176.39 (talk) 03:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Died on Jun 8

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Began many updates throughout article since subject has passed. Added death date and location, changed "is" to "was" throughout, updated context to past tense, updated categories, and added references for death. Copeland.powell (talk) 12:42, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

NPOV edit badly needed: reads like an advertisement

Latest comment: 11 months ago4 comments2 people in discussion

This article needs an NPOV edit very badly.

There's no mention of many of his highly controversial statements, e.g. that he claimed gays are responsible for hurricanes. Nothing is said about his many prophecies which have proved to be false.

The Regent University section is particularly one-sided, reads like advertising copy, and relies heavily on the widely criticized U.S. News & World Report Best Colleges Rankings as if they were an authoritative source. OrganicStateMachine (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems that the article has been made particularly biased by removal of critical material by @Death_Editor_2.
I may not be familiar with the intricacies of Wikipedia's policies, but I wish to challenge these edits via any and all available avenues. OrganicStateMachine (talk) 23:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
@Wow 's changes also appear to have the effect of laundering Mr. Robertson's reputation.
This is getting out of hand, and someone with authority really needs to take a look at this. OrganicStateMachine (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
If you have specific edits/editors that you're questioning, it would be helpful if you provide diffs (see "linking to a diff" at WP:DIFF) and then provide specifics about what you perceive to be the issue. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

"Global business interests of Pat Robertson" listed at Redirects for discussion

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  The redirect Global business interests of Pat Robertson has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 9 § Global business interests of Pat Robertson until a consensus is reached. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:40, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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