Talk:Northern line/Archive 4

Line diagram

The line diagram in the 'Stations' section misses out Tooting Broadway station, although it does appear in the list of stations. But I can't see how to edit the diagram. Any clues would be appreciated. DrHydeous (talk) 20:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The diagram is transcluded from a template into the article, by using {{Northern line map}}. I've added an infobox (at the top of this page) which links to the diagram, and also added the missing station to the diagram template. -=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=- 20:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Platform Lengths

Someone has been putting information up about platform lengths for each line. Whilst the information would be helpful, it is not accurate, and actualy is far more complex than just being similar to the train length opperated. For example, numerous platforms were extended to take 9 cars. Some have been shortened since, others not. The platforms at Highgate are 490' still for example, which is more than 110m. Hope this helps! OutrageousBenedict 91.104.3.225 (talk) 21:09, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Extension from Kennington via Nine Elms to reach to Battersea Power Station

I understand that REO/Treasury Holdings (a private development group) is planning on spending £350 million of their own money to pay for a Tube extension from Kennington via Nine Elms. My question is, given that they are going to pay for all this privately, has Transport for London considered paying for a final extension of the extension, to take it either to Victoria Station, or to Clapham Junction (they keep on saying that they want to put Clapham Junction on the Underground)??? It would seem to make sense. Would be a shame, and also ridiculous, to have this privately-funded extension dead end at Battersea Power Station. Or would TfL only do this once the privately funded extension be put in? Does somebody have a link where this has been discussed? Thanks in advance.

Also of some relevance to the extension is that some money may come from the USA, as the Americans are very likely to be putting up their new embassy in the Nine Elms 'estate'. Boris is trying to get some money out of them for transport - and as they're so far from Crossrail links it might be spent on this Northern Line extension. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.93.132 (talk) 21:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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I believe that the money from REO/Treasury Holdings may not cover the whole cost. TfL want to make more use of the Charing Cross Branch below Waterloo (as it is underused). But if they extended it to Clapham Junction there may be too many people getting on there and wanting to change at Kennington at the same time as lots of People from the Mordon branch wanting to get across to the Charing Cross branch.
This assumes the Bank branch would run purely to Mordon and the Charing Cross purely to Battersea.
Maybe in the future after the Chelsea-Hackney line has been built (with a branch to Clapham Junction) they might consider it. Alot of extensions are considered not viable at the moment as it would mean that people at stations further up the line would not be able to get on a train at rush hour.
The main driver at the moment is that REO/Treasury Holdings might pay for most of it. 86.25.200.140 (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property_news/smart_moves_and_new_homes/batterseagetsthetubeandthousandsofnewhomes.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.242.194 (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

There is a proposal to move all the articles of the Transport of London tube lines, capitalizing the "L" of "line". Please see the centralized discussion at Talk:Victoria line#Requested move. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 23:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Now closed. --DavidCane (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Request about tunnels

Someone knows how long they have all the Northern Line tunnels? --Vilar 18:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

for details of the running lengths of the lines see the various line pages at Clive's Underground Line Guides. Distances are represented in kilometres and an explanation of the way this is done can be found towards the bottom of the introduction page. --DavidCane (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Car or carriage?

The article uses the terms inconsistently it contains two references to "carriage" and one to "car". As it is it a British article I think we should use "carriage" which is widely understood and less ambiguous. When I made the change it was undone with the comment "actually the Underground does use the term cars because the orignal vehicles came from US". This might be origin of some internal terminology but TfL use "carriage" in their announcements and literature. Grim²³★ 15:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Car. Most books on LU rolling stock use "car" in all cases except for pre-1933 Metropolitan stock. See almost anything written by Brian Hardy, Piers Connor or J. Graeme Bruce. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I've found this: Bruce, J. Graeme (1983) [1970]. "Author's Note". Steam to Silver: A history of London Transport Surface Rolling Stock. Harrow Weald: Capital Transport. p. 7. ISBN 0 904711 45 5. The term 'coach' is used to describe any compartment type vehicle with swing doors; all other vehicles of the open saloon type are called 'cars' in accordance with the practice adopted by London Transport and, to some extent, by the Metropolitan Railway previously.; which whilst not covering the Northern Line, does suggest the general LT/LU policy. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Car. Mike Horne's The Bakerloo Line - An Illustrated History explains that the American term was used from the introduction of the Gate stock on the UERL's Baker Street and Waterloo Railway and has been used on the system since then (p.12). --DavidCane (talk) 16:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot Horne. And that book's right in front of me! Besides him, to my list of authors, add: Ian Huntley, John Glover. I didn't spot anything in Horne & Bob Bayman's "The First Tube", being a work more directly relevant to the line in question. However, have discovered on pages between 10 & 14, the word "carriage" used several times when describing a C&SLR "padded cell"; but by p.15, the authors have switched to "car". --Redrose64 (talk) 16:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Carriage. The term "car" seems to me to be a jargon term used by specialists, in the Concise Oxford Dictionary "carriage" is the British usage. I know the Wikipedia policy for naming articles is the name most , which would be carriage, I'm not sure if applies to terms within an article. London underground use "carriage" in their announcemnets. When Northern Line trains pull into Camden this announcement[1] is heard "The next station is Camden Town - High Barnet branch, upon arrival the last set of doors will not open, customers in the last carriage please move towards the front doors to leave the train". Grim²³★ 20:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

But, we can't cite station announcements, no matter how clear the enunciation. We can cite books. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

If I was going to put that assertion into the article I would have found a reliable source. I was trying to illiistrate that "carriage" is the commonly used term. Grim²³★ 00:23, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

TfL use the term in the promotional literature[2], press releases[3] and contracts[4]. Grim²³★ 00:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Car. Whilst carriage is the term used on national rail London Underground uses the term 'car'. This is one of the many historical differences between LU and national rail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.45.189 (talk) 21:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Car. It's well established that this is the prefered term within LU itself, and is in fact reflected in may in-car automated announcements. Nick Cooper (talk) 01:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, LU announcements use both terms. They say "Customers in the last carriage move towards the front doors to leave the train", but they also say "Move right down inside the cars". I don't think I've heard "move right down inside the carriages". At one time I would have said "car" was more normal for any kind of multiple units, and "coach" for loco-hauled stock, with "carriage" a usage largely confined to the uninformed general public, but I notice that Modern Railways nowadays uses all three terms pretty indiscriminately. Alarics (talk) 10:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)