Talk:Myron Cope/Archive 1

Bus

I don't believe it was Myron who gave Bettis the "Bus" moniker. I seem to recall Jerome mentioning in an interview on a show about him he'd been called that at Notre Dame.

Myron was the one who got "The Bus" nickname into standard use. myselfalso 05:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Green Weenie

Bob Prince, Pirates announcer, invented the Green Weenie.

Good call on the Green Weenie. I could of swore I saw a show where Cope took credit for inventing that thing, but the references back up Bob Prince. Is there any chance Cope did anything to encourage the Green Weenie at Steeler games, or something of that sort? Megamemnon 16:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

He used the Green Weenie in his "MC Hammer" music video, but other than that I have no knowledge of it being used or referred to by him. Blackngold29 (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Parents and Family Life

I'm having trouble finding information about Cope's family and especially his parents. The information in the article is good, but it needs cited. I have heard that Cope's parents were haulocaust survivors, is there any truth to this? Any help would be appreciated. Thank You. Blackngold29 (talk) 19:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems unlikely they were "survivors," since he was born in 1929 in Pgh and the Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Origins). They might, however, have emigrated from Europe in the post-WWI period, which was bleak for many, especially in Germany (regardless of ethnicity). Isaacsf (talk) 20:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Picture

A picture of Mr. Cope would be a great addition to this article. There are currently none in the WikiCommons. If you have one please add it to the article. Thank You. Blackngold29 (talk) 04:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Radio HOF

As stated in the article Cope is the only football annoucer who is in the Radio HOF as seen here. There are other people in the "Sportscaster" section who have covered football games, however all of the inductees (obviously with the exception of Cope) are baseball announcers before football. Just wanted to clarify that, though I will look for a better source. Thank You. Blackngold29 (talk) 16:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not clear that Jack Brickhouse wasn't a football announcer first (or at the same time) as he was a baseball announcer, but you could be correct. (See http://www.radiohof.org/sportscasters/jackbrickhouse.html) If this is a desirable point to list, can we find a reference that states definitively? I've changed it in the meantime. I think Brickhouse's 24 years with the Bears qualify him as a football announcer even if he never did anything else. Also, Cope himself did other sports besides football, didn't he? Isaacsf (talk) 16:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know Cope only did Pitt Panthers college football and Steelers games as an announcer. Blackngold29 (talk) 17:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I got it. He was the first football annoucer to be inducted. Added to intro and cited. I would like to create an "Awards and Honors" section soon. Blackngold29 (talk) 04:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

On the money, I guess. If Gene says it's so...we can print it :-) Isaacsf (talk) 04:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Team nicknames correct?

The article states: "Cope used a wide range of nicknames for other teams including "Birdies" (Baltimore Ravens), "Bungles" (Cincinnati Bengals), "Cleve Sandlotters" and "Cleve Brownies" (Cleveland Browns), "Chi Bears" (Chicago Bears), "Mini Vikes" (Minnesota Vikings) and "Redfaces" (Washington Redskins)." I cannot claimed to have listened to him a lot, but the only one's I've heard him use were "Bungles" and "Brownies." The other ones may have been used, but I do not think they were common, and some even sound made-up to me. Is there someone who can confirm they were all used? If not I think they should be removed. Thank You. Blackngold29 (talk) 05:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I can vouch for the accuracy of those nicknames. He did hardly use the "Sandlotters" moniker for Cleveland, his preference to call them "Brownies". All the others were commonly used. The "Redfaces" moniker is acutally a popular story in which he ended up telling Daniel Snyder to "Stick his head in a can of paint" when Snyder wanted Cope to stop using the moniker. However, each of those nicknames were used at at least one point. -- User: Lawrence142002 —Preceding comment was added at 19:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

Unfortunately, I am going to have to fail this article at this point. It does not meet several of the GA criteria at this point.

1. It is difficult to get an article passed as a GA with a recent death tag. As the tag implies (and the article history shows), this is a stability problem. It is best to wait a little while before nominating an article about someone who has died. Y Blackngold29 16:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC) Time has passed, tag has been removed.
2. There are multiple fact tags that do not seem to be getting addressed. In addition, there are entire paragraphs that are unreferenced in every section of the article.Y --M@rēino 18:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC) Fact tags have all been replaced with sources; every section has relevant citations.
3. The article is in need of copyediting for consistency (Sports Illustrated is italicized once but not later in the same paragraph) and punctuation (there are several errors that distract from the text).Y --M@rēino 18:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC) Done.
4. The "List of awards and honors" has only one item on the list referenced. Y Blackngold29 16:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC) Somebody has corrected this
5. The references are incomplete, as several are missing a publisher.Y --M@rēino 18:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC) Done.

Once these have been addressed and we can be sure that the article history is stable, it can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, please feel free to bring it up at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, this is my first attempt, but thanks for the tips, I am sure it will make it easier to improve the article. The only thing that I see wrong with your review is that the List of awards and honors clearly states that everything on the list was from the first citation, with the exception of the last which is cited to another article. I thought it would be redundant to cite each thing to the same article. Thank you. Blackngold29 (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I've just renominated this article. I believe we've solved all of the problems.--M@rēino 19:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Jefferson Award

I know the ref says he won the award, but the organization's web site does not list him for 1999 (or any other year):

http://www.aips.org/past_winners/index.html

I even searched their site for the word "cope" and it came up empty.

Isaacsf (talk) 04:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

People from...

According to Category:People by city in the United States, we should list a person as being from any city where they "have lived a significant portion or their lives." By my count, then, Myron Cope should be in the following "People from..." categories:

• Pittsburgh
• Mt. Lebanon
• Erie

He's already in a Pittsburgh category, so I have added Mt. Lebanon and Erie. If you have a good reason to add or subtract any cities, please discuss it here. --M@rēino 03:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Cope lived in Erie for a total of six months , that was his only time away from Pittsburgh. I don't think he should be listed as being "from Erie". Blackngold29 (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

They didn't come any more Pittsburgh than Cope. A first job out of school in Erie doesn't make a "significant portion," nor does retiring to a nursing home in Mt. Lebanon. I move for deletion of both categories. Isaacsf (talk) 04:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mt. Lebanon an area in Pittsburgh? If not, I agree that both should be removed, unless he lived in Mt. Lebanon, before moving to the nursing home. Blackngold29 (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

No, Mt. Lebanon is a suburb, definitely a separate municipality. Isaacsf (talk) 04:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I support the motion to remove both the Erie and Mr. Lebanon catagories. Blackngold29 (talk) 04:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Whoops! I just realized the problem -- the article implies that Myron only lived in Mt. Lebanon when he was in the nursing home. That's incorrect; he lived there for decades. I will add the correct sources to the article. --M@rēino 14:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
  • OK, done. We should also add Upper St. Clair to that list of places that he's from, but there's not a category for that town yet. --M@rēino 15:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Where exactly has Cope lived, and for how long? I would not list him from Erie, as I know he only lived six months there, which is not a "significant portion" of his life. Blackngold29 (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• You're right, I checked Double Yoi (page 34), and it wasn't long at all. I removed Erie. The final list (unless anyone else brings up some new material) is Pittsburgh, Mt. Lebanon, and when the category is created, Upper St. Clair. --M@rēino 21:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

GA Review 2

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

• In the lead, the voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers, readers unaware of the term could be puzzled, can that be addressed, or full explained.
• His catchphrase, "yoi", needs a pronunciation template, as I do not even know how to pronounce that term.
• In the education section, the first sentence needs to be revised, can it be rewritten, something along the lines of Born in Pittsburgh, .....etc.
  
  • The sentence about him originally being a journalist, it reads "was already working", reads like a personal opinion, like "When I was 13, I was already working for the FBI."
    
  • In the final sentence, where his "piece" is selected, what does piece mean in this sentence, needs to be further explained.
• In the retirement section, what does "limiting it to 35,000" mean?

1. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

• In the second paragraph of the lead, the publishing of his autobiography needs to be verified.
• The first paragraph of the Terrible Towel needs to be sourced, mostly the part on how he urged fans to take yellow dish towels to the game.

1. C. No original research:

2. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

3. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

4. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

5. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   The special commemorative edition of the yellow towel needs a fair use rationale.

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

6. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   The article has GA potential, however, there are minor setbacks that are preventing it from meeting the GA criteria. I will give the article a week to improve, before I pass or fail it. Good luck!~SRX~ 01:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding pronunciation, the word "yoi" rhymes with "boy." I've made an attempt to put it in the article at its first appearance; it seems a bit awkward. Can you comment on that edit? Thanks.  Frank  |  talk  02:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It does seem akward. But it follows the rules of the English IPA, and the pronunciation of the word can be comprehended more easily, so its good.--~SRX~ 02:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I replaced the picture with a better quality one, does it still need a fair use rationale? (I took the picture) I changed a few things, but can't seem to Y them off the list. Blackngold29 02:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Decrease the size of the image, to about 250px, also are you saying that you can't check things off the list (the one I created above?)~SRX~ 02:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Will do. Right, If I add a "Y" right after the bullet it does not show up. Blackngold29 03:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That is because the above list is in a template. However I will copy them below, and you can check them off from there.

• Y In the second paragraph of the lead, the publishing of his autobiography needs to be verified.
• Y The first paragraph of the Terrible Towel needs to be sourced, mostly the part on how he urged fans to take yellow dish towels to the game.

• Slight revision, cited. Blackngold29 03:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

• In the lead, the voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers, readers unaware of the term could be puzzled, can that be addressed, or full explained.

• Added an internal link, will that suffice? Blackngold29 03:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That will suffice.--~SRX~ 10:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

• Y His catchphrase, "yoi", needs a pronunciation template, as I do not even know how to pronounce that term.
• Y In the education section, the first sentence needs to be revised, can it be rewritten, something along the lines of Born in Pittsburgh, .....etc.
  
  • Y The sentence about him originally being a journalist, it reads "was already working", reads like a personal opinion, like "When I was 13, I was already working for the FBI."
    
  • Y In the final sentence, where his "piece" is selected, what does piece mean in this sentence, needs to be further explained.

• Like "a piece of writing", would "one of the 50 best written works" be better? Blackngold29 03:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That would work fine.~SRX~ 10:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

• Y In the retirement section, what does "limiting it to 35,000" mean?

~SRX~ 03:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Its coming along. When all of it's complete, please notify me on my talk page. Thanks.~SRX~ 03:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The article meets GA standards, congratulations to all editors who responded swiftly to the concerns above.SRX 10:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)