Talk:Moscou, Ghent

Spelling

"Moscou" with a "c" is not a French spelling (and neither was this neighbourhood called that way to celebrate the French "victory" at the Battle of Borodino) because this area got its name during the Dutch period!

So why was it not changed into "MosKou" like normally happened in the Dutch language? Of course, the various Dutch spelling reforms also changed the spelling in Dutch of the Dutch names of foreign place names. Famously, "Vatikaan" became "Vaticaan". "Moscou" (in Russia) became "Moskou".

In the 1950s, a Belgian place name commission changed the official spelling of Flemish place names in the Flemish part of Belgium. They turned Craynhem into Kraainem, for instance. However, they did not concern themselves with the spelling of place names of what they called lieu-dits, so places which were not independent communes kept their spelling - actually it was left to the independent communes who governed these places to decide whether to change the spelling of these places. That spelling commission also set up a permanent commission to advise on such spellings and on the spelling of newly created place names. Somewhere, somehow, the Flemish regional government turned that advisory capacity into an imperative one.

In this case, the name "Moscou" was also used in street and square names (Moscouviaduct for instance), so Gentbrugge decided not to change the spelling. Whether Gent would ever want to change the spelling now, is probably a moot point since that "advisory" council would probably rule against it anyway (for one thing, those "Moscows" in the Netherlands are also spelled with a c).--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

According to a recent article in De Morgen, the permanent commission for dialectology and the spelling of street names and hamlets has no imperative powers. It is even on a (federal) list for possible extinction. I seem to have been mistaken OR this both a federal and a Flemish one. --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 16:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Sources

It would be interesting to know if the google cache for the 1814 events (Gents gastenbook, guest book - it is the Ghent City office of archives that wrote that page) could be preserved for eternity somehow, as it gives more info than the other sources (book on street names, book on tramway line, Ghent administration on Buurtwerking Moscou). I wonder whether anything can be done under free usage of course. In the meantime, I have saved the html file on my own computer. Perhaps I ought to get an inhabitant of Ghent to ask the administration whether the thing is public domain.

The point is that the page is marked "Copyright Stad Gent", but there is also a link to "Juridische Informatie" - does not work on a google cache page of course, but on an existing page I found the same link and that judicial-legal page just says that you use the info and the whole website at your own risk (if the information is wrong, it is not our fault, if some hacker put a virus on the Stad Gent website, and you get infected by visiting the website, it is not Stad Gent's fault). Seems like getting them to say it is OK to put it eg on wikiquotes is a good idea -they may agree.--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

As for sources, this is I suppose, enough and good evidence of the existence of the book.--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 11:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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