Talk:Money (Blackadder)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Tom

Are we certain that the Balladeer (Tony Aitken) from the episode, "Money", is called Tom? I thought the Bishop's real name (in character) was Tom, since it was the Bishop who had the cough as he exited the scene. "Poor Tom's cold! Pity poor Tom, for his nose is frozen, and he does shiver, and he's MAD!"

Further, on the Tony Aitken article, there is a reference to the Blackadder Hall website. An archived version of this website makes mention of the Balladeer as being "Tom the Mad Beggar", however, I find this citation questionable. Firstly, it appears to be a fan-made site rather than someone actually connected with the Blackadder series or the BBC (Mad Gerald was a character played by the now deceased Rik Mayall, but makes no mention of the actual person behind the persona). The Blackadder Hall website is still live, though the website presently has an austere appearance.

In short, I find the source material lacking in authority necessary to validate the claim that "Tom" was the Balladeer referencing himself instead of the Bishop.
Christopher, Sheridan, OR (talk) 08:16, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

It's a Shakespeare reference (King Lear goes in disguise as "Tom o' Bedlam"). I don't think at any point this article makes the assertion anybody is called Tom. Bob talk 08:27, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. The Blackadder series, particularly the first series in the series, borrows a lot from Shakespeare. Recommendation about the questionable claim and citation that "Tom" is the Balladeer rather than the Bishop who coughs as he exits the scene?

I could edit the parts about "Tom" out, leaving just the Balladeer and actor.

— CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 08:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

My suggestion: the next time I load up the DVD I'll check the end credits to see what's written there, and adjust the relevant pages per what's found, adding the {{Cite episode}} template for the DVD as a reliable source.

— CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 09:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

This is probably resolved now, but in the credits Tony Aitken is indeed credited as 'Mad Beggar' (seen on the episode now available on BBC's iplayer, [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0078vyl/blackadder-blackadder-ii-4-money?seriesId=b006xxw7 ). I agree that the nomenclature of 'Tom' is the aforementioned Shakespearean reference, but (the character) Tom is /not/ the balladeer (which is uncredited here).

I only came here to contribute because under 'guest appearances' on the page it's still marked as disputed; in my mind, Aitken is making a guest appearance as Tom so that credit is clear. The article is correct not to credit him as the balladeer as although it almost certainly is him, there's no reference cited. If it resolves everything just to change the credit of Aitken to 'Mad Beggar' then I don't think that's a big issue.

With regards to the overall citation for the article - the iplayer link above may be useful. Proogs (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2023 (UTC)