Talk:Michael Milken/Archives/2016
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Suggested revision of NPOV changes
My name is Larry Weisenberg and I'm a representative of Michael Milken. Over the past several years, a number of editors have reached consensus on the Info Box of Mike Milken, and determined that listing criminal details 20 years after the fact constituted a biased NPOV. Indeed, neither the Info Boxes of Martha Stewart, John D. Rockefeller, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King nor Scooter Libby reference their convictions. If you view the Nov. 13 version of Mike's page, you'll see the Info Box listing "Known for: developing the High-yield bond market, Indictment for securities fraud, philanthropy" was a consensus description. I suggest we revert to the Nov. 13 version, removing the three criminal references and conviction.
Another consensus reached over the years was to avoid a NPOV by listing Milken as a "philanthropist and financier." This is a common description, as noted in a recent Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/gwu-to-receive-80-million-for-public-health-donors-are-milken-and-redstone/2014/03/10/1cd9289c-a88a-11e3-8d62-419db477a0e6_story.html). Again, I suggest reverting the recent addition of "former" in the lead paragraph and returning to the Nov. 13 version. Thank you. LarryWeisenberg (talk) 16:23, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- We've been through this before. There is no "consensus" for whitewashing one of the larger scams in financial history. John Nagle (talk) 19:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- Agree with Nagle. the others you name were famous for other things before they committed their crimes - they did not become famous household names because of their crimes, as is the case here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:46, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think that someone should be able to buy his way out of the consequences of a crime, particularly one of such proportion. Limit-theorem (talk) 22:00, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- Agree with Nagle. the others you name were famous for other things before they committed their crimes - they did not become famous household names because of their crimes, as is the case here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:46, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Substituted at 23:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC) I'm Larry Weisenberg and I am a representative of Mike Milken. This addition is unsourced, inaccurate and without substantiation. Not to mentioned poorly spelled. I would suggest, as the author noted, that it be removed. Thank you. LarryWeisenberg (talk) 17:39, 20 June 2016 (UTC) Larry Weisenberg again. As noted at the top of the page, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page." Please note the inclusion of the Talk Page. Therefore, I am once again removing the unsourced comments above. Thank you.LarryWeisenberg (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- Larry Weisenberg, you seem to argue (and paid to argue with COI) that history has statutes of limitation. It doesn't work that way on encyclopedias. Limit-theorem (talk) 00:43, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Clarification might benecessary here:
"In statements to a parole board in 1991, Judge Wood estimated that the "total loss from Milken's crimes" was $318,000, less than the government's estimate of $4.7 million and she recommended that he be eligible for parole in 3 years.[28] Milken's sentence was later reduced to two years from ten; he served 22 months.[29][30]"
"In total this means that he paid $1.1 billion for all lawsuits related to his actions while working at Drexel."
These two then must reference to separate legal processes, otherwise it doesn't make much sense, to pay back investors 400 million, pay a 200-million fine, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.143.136.17 (talk) 16:36, 6 December 2016 (UTC)