Talk:Medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia

Discussion re: removed section "Private Practice Scandals"

I am in a dispute with user Fram, who is stating that the fact of a physician losing his licence for taking nude photos of a minor is "alleged serious misconduct" and Fram referred to it as a "frankly minor" case, claiming this was a "negative claim based on the prosecution". However, this was not "alleged" nor a "claim" but was a confirmed fact as a result of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Nova Scotia (CPSNS) investigation and a hearing that led to a settlement agreement to have his licence revoked: https://cpsns.ns.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Settlement-Agreement-Dr.-Curtis-Steele.pdf

Fram removed the entire section on this article, where I feel the more appropriate course of action would be to simply remove the part about the withdrawn child porn charges since that was not proven as the victim was too afraid to testify (per news media, charges were only withdrawn due to the victim not wanting to testify upon seeing the accused, not due to being false - the news even refers to the CPSNS investigation that confirms the actions happened, it was just not proven whether or not taking the photos was for pornographic intent). However, even removing that part, I'm not 100% sure on. Per WP:BLP, "If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other, include sufficient explanatory information."

I would like a third party to comment on whether it is appropriate to remove that entire budding section on private practice misconduct, or if only the part about the withdrawn charges should be removed but the rest of it about the nude photos and lost licence should be kept, or if it all merits keeping per WP:BLP? Note the person in question died in January this year.

For your reference, this was the previous version before Fram removed that last section at the bottom: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Medical_professional_misconduct_scandals_in_Nova_Scotia&diff=prev&oldid=1229559279 Note, please do not revert to this, a manual revert to copy & paste the now withdrawn material would be more appropriate as there have been several edits since that version.

And note this was a budding section. There are more scandals of sexual impropriety or similar issues from physicians available under the Directory of Disciplinary Decisions here: https://cpsns.ns.ca/complaints-investigations/directory-of-disciplinary-decisions/ I did not get a chance to go through more of them to add more to this section before it was removed in its entirety. I just remember the Dr. Steele case made the news at one point and it was big enough that I heard about it even on the other side of the country when I was living in Alberta, so that was the first one I included in the "private practice scandals" section for the time being. The question is, if a physician committed acts severe enough to receive a reprimand or lose their license, is that a scandal that connects with this article's references toward a larger culture of entitlement or disregard for other people's rights, therefore meriting inclusion in this article about systemic problems within the culture of Nova Scotia healthcare, or if that physician was not also criminally convicted then are the findings of their College of Physicians & Surgeons not notable enough to include among other scandals in this article?

Note to self to add this to third opinion if there is limited third party discussion on this talk page about this dispute.

MrHaligonian (talk) 20:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I've dropped a note about this discussion at the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Fram (talk) 07:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Source breakdown

This article has been nominated for deletion based on claims of OR. Let's evaluate the sources one by one.

• Gorham's "Nova Scotia Health orders workplace assessment of cardiac surgery unit amid complaints": This covers a few cases of foreign doctors facing racism and harassment in Canada, but it does not support the sweeping assertions attributed to it, that Nova Scotia has a pervasive culture of harassment in general. It's reliable for examples of the kind of thing the lede is talking about, but it does not itself support the claims made in the lede. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Tryon's "Dalhousie dentistry students break silence on 'Gentlemen's Club' Facebook scandal" is similar. It looks like a reliable source for its own content, but that does not include any statement that this was the most infamous scandal in the university's history, which is what it's cited to support. It does not compare this scandal to other scandals at all.Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• I skipped a bunch of sources because they were cited to support specific details of the Dalhousie scandal, and that's not something the first two sources lacked. What the article needs is a source that ties it all together like the rug in The Big Lebowski, a source that says "professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia are a thing." DGMW, the article needs detail sources too, but it shouldn't exist without a big cornerstone source.
• The Atlantic's "Dalhousie’s dentistry scandal: A costly lesson in communications": The Atlantic is the type of publication that might print the kind of cornerstone source this Wikipedia article needs, but this specific Atlantic article isn't it. Like the others, it provides details about one specific scandal, not commentary about scandals in Nova Scotia in general. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• The Medical Teacher article looks promising! "Addressing medical resident mistreatment: A resident-centred approach": Okay, two issues: 1) It only covers Dalhousie University, not Nova Scotia in general. 2) The scientists who performed the experiment and wrote the paper are from Dalhousie University. So the source is not independent. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I think I see what's going on here. This article just isn't about medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia. It doesn't cover it in the text and the sources don't seem to support it. What it does have is enough for "medical professional misconduct scandals at Dalhousie University." Less obviously notable, perhaps, but the case can be made. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)