Talk:Maui/Archive 1

Archive 1

Mauis

Are there any other Mauis than the island and the god? It seems to me that the island is the overwhelmingly most used meaning; I would expect Maui to be the island and Maui (god) to be available for the occasional other use. --Brion 23:33 Aug 12, 2002 (PDT)

I've gone ahead and renamed the page from [[Maui (island)]] to Maui; I'm holding off on changing the links in case someone has a legitimate reason to complain. No sense changing all the links twice... --Brion 04:46 Aug 13, 2002 (PDT)

I think that the Maui page should be a disambiguation page! There is also the Maui of Maori mythology, rather than Hawaiian - though that could be a sub article under a heading. There is the Maui natural gas field off Taranaki in New Zealand, hence Maui gas, Maui production platform, etc. I think that the article currently on this page should be called Maui (Hawaiian island) --- kiwiinapanic 12:15, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I believe the use of "Maui" without any specification was done because there are the Hawaiian islands mentioned and each one is named by their name, rather than being redundant and putting Oahu island, Molokai island, Hawaii island, etc. I was going to do a separate section for this, but I might as well bring it up here. The island of Maui was actually named after the chief Mauiloa, son of Hanala'aiki who was the ancestral chief to all the Maui chiefs, whereas Hanala'aiki's twin brother Hanala'anui was the ancestor to all Hawai'i (island) chiefs. The god Maui is actually the son of 'Akalana and Hina, of which is the same as the other Polynesian Mauis, although at least in Western Polynesia (not sure about Aotearoa) the specific name of Mauikisikisi or Mauitikitiki is mentioned. In the Hawaiian genealogy, Mauiki'iki'i and Mauiakalana are both mentioned but whether they were actually the same or not I do not know. Mamoahina 14:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Certainly over 99% of the users will be looking for Maui (= the Hawaiian Island). What is usually done in such cases: a line is added at the top (or sometimes the bottom) pointing out and linking to other less well known uses of the word. Personally, I think that approach is a bit ugly and I would prefer the disambiguation approach you suggest. Let's see how others weigh in on the question. Maui (Hawaii) would be a bit shorter title that also would work well - Marshman 16:44, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I had never heard of an island called Maui. I assumed the article referred to the demigod of Polynesian legend, the only Maui familiar to most New Zealanders. I make a practice of checking the links I put in an article, which was lucky otherwise I would have linked to the wrong page. When disambiguating, the default position is to use a dedicated disambiguation page. If it can be shown that one meaning dominates the others, or has special significance, then that use would become the default page. Those who advocate for Maui=island need to demonstrate their case. Ben Arnold 08:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Follow this link:[1]. --Viriditas | Talk 08:45, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Maui Dollars

To Ray: "Maui" cannot issue anything. Can you be more specific about who or what is issuing the "Maui Dollars" If just a tourist gimmick, is it really worth its own article in Wikipedia (or even mentioning anywhere). If really collectable then source would be vital informatuion ? - Marshman 04:20, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

In re Maui Dollar, I will add more. I believe it is of interest. They have been issued since at least 1975. Most visitors to the island are familiar with them. See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3046265428&category=3455 and other examples by searching.

Gentlemen: I live on Maui and there are no Maui dollars that I have ever heard of. Mind you there is a price difference between what the tourists pay for many goods and what the locals pay ie the tourists encounter a special price level.

Ray showed me one on E-Bay. They are issued by the Maui Chamber of Commerce. I live on Oahu (Aloha) and had never heard of them either. - Marshman

If you look hard enough you will find them. Every ABC store and most tourist spots have them (Maui Tropical Plantation, for example). I don't believe they can be used or exchanged for anything, however. I am pretty sure they are just a gimmick at this point, but they may have started out as scrip. --Thomas Veil 19:24, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Maui Dollars can be used at some Maui Restaurants and shops. I live in Maui off and on and have met the man who started the idea of Maui Dollars. I will let you know if I run into him again and give you more info.

Great. Looking forward to that more information - Marshman 04:11, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Toni Armstrong Jr. in Chicago here. I have purchased Maui dollars (in Maui, obviously) and have one right here. On the "heads" side it has MAUI NO KA OI 2000, three jumping dolphins, and a palm tree with part of a mountain. On the "tails" side it says "ONE MAUI TRADE DOLLAR * THE VALLEY ISLE" and "GOOD FOR ONE DOLLAR IN TRADE AT PARTICIPATING MERCHANTS DURING 2000." I paid $2 or $3 for it. At the shop where I bought it, the guy told me that the extra money goes for welfare-type services on the island. You can definitely spend them like silver dollars while on Maui, especially in areas like Lahaina where there are lots of touristy shops. If you're interested in the coin spex: 39mm diameter, cupronickel content, reeded edge, designed by ST Wurmser, and minted by Continental Coin.

Thanks for the input. I suspect the part about the "extra money going to welfare-type services" is BS. Maybe you can photograph the coin and add it to Wikipedia? Marshman 05:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

see Maui Trade Dollars —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.183.217.31 (talk) 23:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

I live here and work in hotel industry and this is first time I have heard of "Maui Dollars". Please don't continue this idiotic topic.It is just another way to rip tourist off just like all the fake weed. It is true "Locals" pay less than tourist,it's a"Kamaaina" rate. You need Hawaii I.D. and you get discount on almost all tourist activities: shows, crusies, hotels, shops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellyem (talk • contribs) 20:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Sept 03

I'm a little concerned about the recent material added to Maui that is, quite frankly, not really unique (or have much to do with Maui) re: hurricanes ansd tsunamis. I think the efforts are good, but we need to look for more relevant articles for this material, or every island in Hawaii (or the Pacific for that matter) would need similar to identical paragraphs. Maybe Hawaii or Hawaiian Islands is more appropriate? Also Tsunami and Hurricane shoud be looked at - Marshman 02:56, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Speaking of unique, a link to the Maui Mystery Big Cat should be added. I have added some info to the Phantom cat page. --Thomas Veil 19:27, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Aerial view of Maui

Apology Bill

There is no mention in the history section about the Apology Bill or a lot of other important details.

This article is about the Island of Maui. You will find "important details" such as you mention under articles on the history of the Hawaiian Islands (start at Hawaii) - Marshman 03:51, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sugar subsidies

I believe US government subsidies to the sugar industry (primarily in Hawaii and Louisiana) for cane sugar ended about 10 years ago. Anyone have a more current sense of this issue? - Marshman 01:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The sugar industry concurs, claiming it hasn't received "direct subsidies" since 1996, although other watchdog organizations (EWG) claim that some of these disbursements aren't public. It appears that the industry is gearing up to convert to ethanol production, and they are going to receive subsidies in one form or another. --Viriditas 12:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Water Use

The reference (The Water Development Plan of Maui, 1992 – Preset) is incomplete and therefore not valid. Also, 1992 is the last century, so that source is at least 14 years old. You need to either come up with a better source or bring the statistic up to date. Indeed, much of the water previuously used for sugar is now used by spin-off company of the sugar grower for completely other purposes, and is at this time part of a controversy (fight) between the mayor and the water development Co. over whose water they are selling. - Marshman 02:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, the reference to Paia town using contaminated Hamakuapoko well water is (recently) outdated. The Department Of Water Supply was going to add it to the Central Maui water system in Paia after running the water through a carbon filter, which would take care of the DBCP. In response to complaints from residents, the County Council passed a resolution against using the wells for this purpose, and the Mayor likewise instructed the DWS. The water has previously been pumped to the Upcountry water system during drought emergencies. It's going to be an uphill fight from here on out. Since all of the 'sweet' aquifer waters have already been fully developed, any future growth in water demand will have to be met from either 1) pathogen-laden ditch water, 2) pesticide/fertilizer-laden well water, or 3) desalinization.

As an aside, I don't think it violates Wikipedia guidelines to out the "water development co." as the former Wailuku Agribusiness, now Wailuku Water, in either case a division of C. Brewer Properties. Their primary customers are HC&S (sugar cane), DWS (drinking water), and small farmers in the Waihe'e area. There is some anecdotal evidence that Wailuku Water is dumping unsold diverted water into dry stream beds in central Maui. - Cmholm 23:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Technology

"It is an Air Force Research Laboratory Center Managed by the University of Hawaii, providing more than 10,000,000 hours of computing time per year to the research, science, and warfighter communities." Does anyone know 'what hours of computing time' means? It doesn't really say anything at all about the computational power it lends to those research communities.

68.149.30.207 05:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Question

Does anyone know the per capita income for maui? --Eight15 14:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Climate

The climate section on Maui is very detailed. If only the climate section of the Hawaiian Islands article were that detailed! Much of the information here applies to the other islands as well, and to the extent that's true, those details should go on Hawaiian Islands. I would suggest moving the details to Hawaiian Islands and leaving a basic overview of the climate (basics on tradewinds, etc.). Then concentrate on features unique to Maui that affect its climate (for instance, how does the central valley affect climate?). KeithH 07:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Aloha, Keith. I don't think a straight upmerge is necessary, but some content could go up to the Hawaiian Islands article. In this case, a split is needed. A new article, such as Geography and climate of Maui or something similar, could work. —Viriditas | Talk 09:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Gallery

There are several photos just floating at the end of the entry, and I have a few pictures I'd like to upload. Anyone opposed to putting a gallery table (like this: [2]) at the bottom of the page? - Andwhatsnext 04:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Recent visitor inquirey

We have vacationed on the other islands but just returned from our first vacation on Maui and it surely will NOT be the last. Just loafed around and enjoyed the beach time. Didn't go to Hana, the mountain, or anything special. We did take in the show Ulalena and were very impressed. However, I have not been successful in getting a clear answer to my question. Hope somebody can help. Where can I find the story behind the "fish hook" symbol that I found in many places and in the drama? I even bought one at the airport and all I know is that it has sosmething with the demogod Maui's gathering of the islands. Garyjune1962 07:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)Gary in Oregon garyjune1962@verizon.net

Hi, Gary. I found many mentions of the Maui fishhook on Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&q=maui+fishhook&btnG=Search Andwhatsnext 22:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Vintage Video

I found and removed this from the history section, but it's very cool and should go somewhere!

Vintage video 1950 skin diving at Black Rock Lahaina http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3899236907367885306

Shannon.wianecki (talk) 16:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation

In Hawaiian, it's either mā-u-i, with the stress to be on the u, or māu-i, with the stress on the ā. Does anyone know for sure? kwami (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

History of Maui

In the last month, an editor has decided to turn this article into a History of Maui article. Well, this isn't the right article, and I'm going to split this information out to the daughter article. Viriditas (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Famous residents?

Should we include a list on the article of famous residents of Maui? Some people to consider for the list: Wayne Dyer and Philip Niarchos. I know there must be loads of other ones. --Ashley Rovira (talk) 20:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Second hand Source could've been a bad one?

I noticed how the ancient name of Maui being Ihikakapalaumaewa was mentioned & the cited source was page 2 of "Sites of Maui'" by Elspeth P. Sterling. By the way, in the book for those of us that have it you will see that under that section of "Ancient Name of Maui" she cites her source as S. M. Kamakau, Ka Moolelo o Hawaii, Ke Au Okoa, March 10, 1870. The actual source is written by Samuel M. Kamakau in Ke Au Okoa but for October 17, 1869, not somewhere 5 months later as she incorrectly cited.

It's always important to get the true source of information rather than rely on second or third hand information. I've always used the original sources even though so many other "foreigners" have tried to come up with their own version to which many Wiki editors/contributors like to cite due to the fact that they're readily available online. Sometimes we need to make more effort and actually physically go to a library and comb through the books and actual papers and cite them as sources, not through a second hand source no matter how easy it is. Anyone can publish a book and use that as a 'credible' source on any issue, matter or what they can interpret to be as fact. Mamoahina (talk) 09:44, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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The Far Away Night

The Far Away Night

Over the hills and far away, where the Moon and the Stars, dance around with the day. The setting Sun lights the sky, blue and red, and says to the Hilltops, “Get ready for bed”. The Northwind sighs and whispers “Goodnight”, then turns to the Sun and says “turn off the light”. Then the Sun yawns and closes her eyes. She’ll rise in the morning, a baby’s surprise. The Far Away Night has covered the sky and the Moon and the Stars float quietly by. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.217.4.117 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Religion?

--Albedo ^@ 08:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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