Talk:Marine Security Guard

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As of right now the second and third paragraphs of this article read like a recruiting advertisment and the only cited source for the entire article is the offical Battalion homepage, which also reads like the recruiting webpage that it is. This article needs to be cleaned up and cite its sources or have all hyperbole removed. NeoFreak 20:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Article needs to be renamed...

They are not known as "Marine Corps Security Guards", they are known simply as "Marine Security Guards".

The title of the article is inaccurate.

Also, I edited out the part that said MSGs are provided with maids, etc. This is not true.

I removed some OR as well as some of the statements might be true some of the time they are not true all the time and there is no citation for the info. As for the name change I think it's fine as is because the term "Marine Security Guard" is a very generic term and in a global sense might encompass alot more things than just the MSGs. Also please sign your comments with four tildes. NeoFreak 18:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The term "Marine Security Guard" may sound generic, but it is the only American military unit that exists with that title/name. No other Marine, aside from an MSG, will claim to be a Marine Security Guard. He may be a Marine, who is guarding something. He or she may be a security guard in the Marines. But the term is entirely and exactly specific to US Marines assigned to overseas diplomatic posts as part of Marine Corps Embassy Security Group. there is nothing 'generic' about the term - it is exact and precise, regardless of how it sounds... the science articles aren't dumbed down and made inaccurate because the word "planet" sounds 'generic' to the general public, are they? no, they are accurate and use the correct terminology as much as possible. why should this article intentionally be inaccurate (as it currently is)? Here is another way to look at this: my source is me. i do this. this article is about me. i am telling you that there is no such thing, no such title, and no such unit as "Marine Corps Security Guards." it, quite simply, does not exist and has never existed. please provide a source stating otherwise. 88.114.41.212 (talk) 12:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I think he was raising the possibility of non-U.S. references. Also, calm down; it's not a political forum. This sentence is crap: "complete a training program located at the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) which is located at" - the first "located" should be changed to 'operated', 'exercised', or the like. General: Which embassies are NOT guarded by Marines? (U.S., that is(!)) 166.128.177.74 (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Earthpig: easiest way to settle this is to find a few reliable sources that use "MSG", and none or only unreliable sources that use "MCSG". Don't forget to format your refs. :) - chicgeek ^talk 12:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The reference already used in the article supports my position. The very first words in the body of the main page:

http://msgbn.usmc.mil/

"Marine Security Guards have been standing post for nearly sixty years and..."

Clicking on any random page within that site will show the same.

http://www.embassymarine.org/ <-- the "alumni" association.

"..we keep America's Marine Security Guards close to our hearts..."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usmc/msgbn.htm

that site also refers to "MSGs" (Marine Security Guard), and not "MCSGs" (that would be "Marine Corps Security Guard"... but there is no such thing, unit, or person that holds or has ever held the proper noun title of Marine Corps Security Guard.)

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/marineassign/a/marinesecurity.htm

about.com is the only site i have found with an article titled "Marine Corps Security Guard."

http://www.marines.mil/news/messages/Pages/2002/messages02f326.aspx

Here is a random official message regarding the MSG Program, and it refers to the MSG Program, not MCSG.

Suggested titles of article:

-Marine Security Guard Program <- preferred. most often used term in official correspondence, what it calls itself, what others (should) call it, etc.

-Marine Corps Embassy Security Group <- if we want to go with the name of the unit. 88.114.41.212 (talk) 15:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

source on this?

"In the past, less than 1% of all Marines have qualified and completed this duty."

that quote is very misleading. less than 1% have completed this duty because its a very small organization - that has nothing to do with being qualified.

i removed the 'qualified and' so the quote now reads "In the past, less than 1% of all Marines have completed this duty."

If someone can cite notable comments about how or why service at MSG is considered prestigious, then that can be added. (Also among ex-marines, MSGs are considered to "have their shit together".) --20yardsaway (talk) 16:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Need an updated source

I pulled the data on each company from the GlobalSecurity ref... however, I'm sure this is terribly out of date. GS.com lists comanies A through G, but the official website lists contacts for companies H and I as well. It also notes about the US opening embassies in former Soviet bloc nations. Anyone have a better listing? I'd bet that a lot of that data is many years out of date. bahamut0013^words_deeds 17:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

not that can be sourced publicly :) beyond the fact that they are now 'regions' and numbered, instead of being 'companies' and lettered. Earthpigg (talk) 14:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

On which discussion page might one collect references from printed sources about 1975 hero and top dog US ground commander, and prime mover for averting a humanitarian crisis for 5000 vietnamese civilians

Arguably the most notable Marine Security Guard, and possible the only one who became notable for reasons other than the circumstances of death OTJ: James "Jim" Hamilton Kean a.k.a Jim Kean and James H. Kean.

He became a hero in 1975 when he was the top dog US ground commander during the Fall of Saigon, and he was a prime mover for averting a humanitarian crisis for 5000 vietnamese civilians.

I suggest that references from printed press are gathered on this discussion page. --20yardsaway (talk) 12:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

He was also on Larry King Live "with LtCol Kean & Steve Schuller - 20th Anniversary" [1] [the Fall of Saigon]. --20yardsaway (talk) 15:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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