Talk:Mannheim school

Examples

This page truly needs examples of that technical innovation: works, specific bars, midi, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deafussy (talk • contribs) 00:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge-in of Mannheim rocket

I think the easiest solution for the stub status of Mannheim_rocket would be to merge it here. I have very little knowledge of music theory, so I would not be offended if someone more knowledgeable overrides me on this. However, it seems to me that the "Mannheim rocket" article is little more than a series of definitions, yet probably not appropriate for Wiktionary. I doubt there is much chance of expanding the "Mannheim rocket" article into a full article, particularly since the other musical techniques mentioned therein should apparently have equal status.

EMan 14:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes

Mannheim STEAMroller, or just plain 'Roller'?

This is a bit complicated, so please bear with me on this one!

The group Mannheim Steamroller took its name from the musical technique, and this is quoted on their official website (linked from article); however, the steamroller wasn't invented until around 1850...

So, for watchers of this article, the challenge I have for you is as follows:

1. Was the musical technique originally known as the "Mannheim Roller" (which seems to be its name on other websites)?
2. In which case, can you find a reference that states this is the source of the group's name? (rather than steamroller)
3. If the technique is also known as "Mannheim Steamroller", when was this new name first adopted? (ie, did the technique take its name from the group or vice versa?)
4. And in both cases, how does the "Roller" relate to the "Rocket"? -- (some (hastily-viewed) sources suggest the Roller is a development of the Rocket.)

Although musically-minded, I am no music theorist, which is why I am asking for your help!

Apart from clearing up some confusion in this article ('Roller' is not mentioned, only ' Steamroller', for example) I would like to link to Mannheim Steamroller from steam roller, also linking to this article, and be able to get my facts straight!

Thanks, in advance - EdJogg (talk) 09:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The term "Steamroller" was introduced by an anonymous editor on 21-Oct-2008. After reading the German articles on Mannheimer Schule and Mannheimer Rakete again, I am certain that "Steamroller" (which would be Dampfwalze in German as has of course much different connotations than "rocket") is an inappropriate term. The same editor also added the phrase "unification of bowings within a string section" in the next edit; with no source for this assertion, I'm going to remove that phrase and use the term "rocket" instead of "steamroller", as used in the caption of the score excerpt. Thank you for raising this matter. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

But if you look at this ref from Dolmetsch, who ought to know what they're talking about, the 'Rocket' and the 'Roller' are different things. Also, the terms 'Roller' and 'Steamroller' are in sufficient use to be significant. Besides, I don't think the chap who named the group "Mannheim Steamroller" would have created this name as a mental leap from 'Rocket'.

EdJogg (talk) 12:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It appears I was a bit hasty, spurred by your excellent point that the steamroller wasn't invented at the time of the Mannheim School and by the dubious origin of the term in this article. I'll bow to Dolmetsch, although in my opinion "steamroller" is still wrong; the vocabulary at Dolmetsch (roller) is certainly less anachronistic.

By the way, if you are looking for references, the searches "Mannheimer Walze" and "Mannheim Roller" might unearth some. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, particularly regarding 'walze' (German for 'roll' or 'roller'). I should have learnt from a previous issue (that time involving a Belgian) that using native language search terms can be more fruitful than using the English (provided you know what to type!)

My suspicion is that the term 'Roller' was in use from day one until the group adopted the alternative name, and thereafter the group name has been incorrectly applied colloquially back to the musical term. Now I just need some references to prove it!

EdJogg (talk) 15:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Mannheim Roller (ger.: Mannheimer Walze) and Mannheim rocket (ger.: Mannheimer Rakete) are in fact different musical techniques. I fixed that now in the article. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 23:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Sudden Crescendo

What is a sudden crescendo? A crescendo is a gradual change in dynamics, it can't be sudden. --2.245.67.97 (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Examples

Hi,

googling yielded several example pages, like http://worldofbeethoven.com/op2-no1/. Could something like this be e.g. linked?

T88.89.219.147 (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

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