Talk:Lotus-eaters

Capitals

As this is the name of a tribe/people, shouldn't 'Lotus-Eater' have capital letters? Compare, for example, 'Maori'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.0.130 (talk) 21:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Untitled

The singular (Lotus-Eater) should be included, so that a search for "Lotus-Eater" will turn up "Lotus-Eaters".

Yeah definitely needs to be merged. They're virtually the same now anyway. Pydos 18:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

How about instead of merging, make Lotus-Eaters a disambiguation page, and make new articles for each of these that have more than just a sentance of info, such as the bands. Then remove the pop culture references on Lotophagi that don't have much at all to do with the greek mythology aside from the name. - Ravenous 19:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree.

Ok, the pop reference list has been moved to The Lotus Eaters, but I kept the star trek one here as it makes more reference to the Odessey story. If any of the other references were more than just the name, feel free to add a note back to this page what that reference is. In addition to the new disambiguation page, I moved some things to new stubs - for the bands, tv. show, and short story. I worked on corrrecting the links, but could probably use some more work if anyone is willing... - Ravenous 18:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Bad References

Some of the "pop culture" references are not really parallels to Lotus Eaters, especially Brave New World. Soma doesn't cause people to want to abandon reality, it just makes the reality they have bearable. 199.71.183.2 14:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

British Columbia was referred to as "Lotus Land" long before our reputation for marijuana. The term refers to the province as a whole, or at least the South Coast and Vancouver Island 24.86.135.229 (talk) 02:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of "Homer's Odyssey: Tale of the Cyclops" from the "Modern references to the lotus eaters" section

Why was "Homer's Odyssey: Tale of the Cyclops" removed from the "modern references to the lotus eaters" section? "Homer's Odyssey: Tale of the Cyclops" is a National Public Radio drama adaptation of the portion of Homer's Odyssey which includes the encounter with the lotus eaters. The "Modern references..." list includes modern retellings of the classic myth, and allusions to the story in television dramas and popular songs. How is the modern retelling of the classic myth in radio drama form irrelevant? Soundout (talk) 01:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleted claim:

I have just deleted the claim here previously in the introduction:

"Scholarly attempts to link the lotos with a known narcotic have never convinced a broad spectrum of readers."

I would not have deleted this if it was sourced with relevant information. Instead the quoted text above is just an opinion and does not show a neutral/ sourced viewpoint.

The reference which was used to justify the deleted text said this:

"The Opium Poppy, Papaver sominferum was well-known to the Greeks, as μήκων, and to their Minoan predecessors; it could not have been intended."

The reference does not at all discount the theory that the psychoactive Egyptian Blue Lotus was the Lotos in Homer's Odyssey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.178.186 (talk) 06:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

In Popular Culture cleanup

would like to delete the two entries to the Pop Culture section, as they are neither notable nor reference, and a perfect example of a useless "in popular culture" section. Any complaints?

The entries are:

"In the book and movie Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief, the Lotophagi have taken residence in a casino-hotel in Las Vegas, luring the young to dwell there for eternity by forcing them to eat lotus flowers and promises of giving into almost every modern hedonist inkling. Time spent in the casino-hotel passes rapidly for those trapped within.

They may also be referenced in Opeth's song "The Lotus Eater" off the album Watershed, Nevermore's song "The Lotus Eaters" from the album Dreaming Neon Black or Dead Can Dance's song "The Lotus Eaters"."

Theinterior (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleted.Theinterior (talk) 17:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

//should just have a 'pop culture' section with the names of outlets, the movie and the song, as mentioned; not their plots or any verbosity, simple, the goog does list this page for that song.

MJB — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.126.108 (talk) 05:09, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Pop Culture Reference

I'm not sure if its worth adding onto it, but the Lotus or "Black Lotus" in this case has similar situations involving the plant in the Baldur's Gate Series albeit briefly in Baldur's Gate & Baldur's Gate II, it has some reference in canon material of the Forgotten Realms. 2603:6080:9FF0:1960:6006:A7BC:50B8:FB02 (talk) 04:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Lotus plant

The section on the lotus plant sounds uniquely evasive/dismissive regarding the candidates for the actual plant. To me, it's almost to the point it's POV forcing its way through intentional omission. The candidate plants which are well-documented in Wikipedia are even carefully avoided in the "See Also".

There are two plants (and to the best of my knowledge two only) which are candidates: the Date-plum and Ziziphus lotus. Lots of information on these articles.

Vincent Lextrait (talk) 16:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. We did have a lot more than two candidates on the page, but none of them were sourced. This is what we had:

a fodder plant such as a species of Trifolium, Melilot or Trigonella, the Lotus corniculatus, the fellbloom, or Medicago arborea

the sweet and succulent persimmon fruit of the date-plum Diospyros lotus

a water-lily, either Nymphaea lotus or Nymphaea stellata. Recent studies have shown that the blue water-lily of the Nile, Nymphaea caerulea, also known as the "blue lotus" (already known under this name to the Greeks), is another candidate. It can be processed for use as a soporific and, in some formulations, has psychotropic properties. It is common in Egyptian iconography which suggests its use in a religious context.

the nettle-tree, Celtis australis

Ziziphus lotus, a relative of the jujube

I took them all out as they all had unfilled citation requests. Some of those tags are dated 2007! All we need to put any of these back is an actual source that discusses the matter and names the candidate plants. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Fully in line. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)