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Lohana history

I'm a Lohana, i definitely exist and we are not all muslims. The factual accuracy banner is rubbish- anyone who knows anything about the community knows that it is all true. In fact we are the largest group of Gujarati-origin people in the UK. For those of us with roots in east africa- our near ancestors went to east-africa in the time of British Rule of both the continent and east africa (early 20th centuary). Muslim Lohana's are known as "khoja" but retain their status (caste remains of social -if not religious- importance for muslims from the sub-continent)- Actually the word caste is used incorrectly: Lohana's are Kshytria peoples (descended from warrior-nobles) our cast is Kshytria, our tribe is Lohana- a subset of the kshytria caste. Though many lohana's are succesful in business. we do not fall into the vaisha caste. One inherits one's membership of tribe and clan at birth, so current occupational trends have nothing to do with caste. It's all about lineage, blood and family ties. It is also worth mentioning that Lohana's vary MASSIVELY in feature, though all lineage comes from Aryan roots: in the west we are used to believing Lohanas are from gujarat and sindh exclusively- infact there are Afghan communities that retain their lohana heritage and names - but whose appearance is markedly different. Interestingly the part of India that is now within the borders of Afghanistan is where actually the origins of ALL lohana people- if you go back far enough.The Lohana's are descended of Pashtun traders who intermarried with the local indian population=Accuracy dispute: Incorrect impression that Lohanas all became Memons== While I applaud the removal of copyrighted material, I do think that the article now gives the incorrect impression that the Lohanas all became Memons (in fact, it now reads like yet another POV fork of Memon). A Google search for the term Lohana turns up a number of references that seem to indicate that this is still a living community.It is indeed a living, thriving community, albeit scattered over India and the rest of the world. (I am a nominally Hindu Lohana Sindhi.)Who is "Manubhai Madhvani" ? What is his major contribution to society ?Being a lohana myself, also I can confirm that very few converted to Memons. We still exist, and there are a great deal of us. THERE ARE NO PROOFS AS OF NOW BUT YES, THE HISTORY AS IT WRITTEN SAYS. CHENGEZ KHAN WAS BEATEN BY THE GREAT DADA JASRAJ.INFACT, DADA JASRAJ WAS RELATED TO GREAT KING PORAS IN SOME WAY.ONE THEORY SAYS DADA JASRAJ'S MOTHER WAS A SISTER OF KING PORAS. IN CASE OF GURU NANAK DEV JI, FEW PLACES MENTIONS HIS FATHER'S SURNAME AS MEHTA AND AT ONE PLACE IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED CHANDARANA. INCIDENTLY, BOTH THE SURNAME'S COMES UNDER THE LOHANAS'.AS ON THE TEST OF PROOFS IT REMAINS DEBATABLE BUT NOT DOUBTABLE AT LEAST. THREE CHEERS FOR THE GREAT LOHANAS' GURU NANAK'S father, Mehta Kalyan Das Bedi, popularly shortened to Kalu Mehta,[4] was the patwari (accountant) of crop revenue for the village of Talwandi in the employment of a Muslim landlord of that area, Rai Bular Bhatti. NO WHERE IT IS MENTIONED THAT HIS FATHER WAS LOHANA, apart from Lohana community's own published works or sites. Mehta is a general surname used by accountants and even so identified today. So to say MEHTA is a Kshatriya SURNAME WITHOUT ANY PROOF IS FIGMENT OF ONES IMAGINATION. Forget the google search, I am living proof that we are still a living community! Check Lohana Samaj, Mahaj Mandal, Lohana community in Africa. Search for Lohana and their link to Ismaili's. But be careful not to assume that Lohanas are Muslim, they are in fact Hindu. While those that converted became Khojas. I dont think that the Fa-hien reference mentioned in the article says anything about the Lohana community. Please discuss how that reference is useful. If not that reference should be removed.Also, I was not able to find the mention of the marking on Chengez Khans grave that he was killed by so and so. I think it should be mentioned just as a folklore, if at all.I highly doubt the "facts" mentioned in this article, please provide references or else all the unsubstantial data will be removed. Ihave seen the plaque that says in chinese that Chengiz Khan was killed by Dada Jasraj. It is in chinese, and although i do not speak or read chinese, i do trust the guide who, by knowing that i am lohana and discussing my history, knew that the plaque exsited and i have seen it!. I was in Karachi in the mid eighties and took a private plane to this place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.169.196 (talk) 01:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the interesting article. Some comments-

A plaque about a Chengiz Khan, a Mongolian, would be in Mongolian script, not Chinese. Chengiz Khan is a national hero in Mongolia, why would they have a plaque about someone who killed him.

Incidentally it is well documented that Guru Nanak was a Khatri of Bedi clan. His descendants still exist.

Jinnah, wasn't he a Bhatia? His grandfater was Meghji Bhatia. Bhatias are also from the same region.--ISKapoor (talk) 22:27, 15 September 2008 ::Further, probably Lohanas do not know that Tomb of Genghis Khan is yet to be discovered. and here one person is talking of a plaque on the tomb in Chinese which says, Chengiz Khan was killed by their hero Dada Jashraj. Intresting....Jethwarp (talk) 11:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Wrong Names

Himesh Reshamiya is not Lohana. His caste belongs to Vaisyha as per the four part of the old system of layering the castes, whereas Lohanas are among Kshatriya. Lekhraj Kripalani is also not Lohana. There are many Lohana who resided in Sindh and adopted Sindhi Culture but not all Sindhis are Lohanas. JINHA'S FATHER NAME WAS JEENABHAI THAKKAR AND HE IS FROM A TOWN CALLED "MOTI PANELI" IN RAJKOT DISTRICT OF GUJARAT. All refrence given are of their community websites== All the history mentioned in this page is cited from their own ( Llohana community) websites. No additional proofs or bibliogarpgy apart from their own website are given to prove their claim. They need to give additional citations and reference from other rreliable sournces

[C. V. Vaidya, "madhya yugin bharat", book 2, pp.5-10, 40, quoted by Kosare:1989:265] 

at a time of chach,lohana rule on brahminabad.lakha lohana clan of north terretory and sama lohana clan of south terretory,nerun modern hydrabad. according to chachnama lohana are kshatriya and C.V.Vaidya also confirm it. 327B.C.alxander the great invaded india,lohana fought against alxander.it is noted in megasthenese record translated by Dr.J.F.Mc Crindle,hydrabad.

HOW ARE LOHANA CONNECTED WITH LUV???

Just being a rhyming words Lohana And Luv donot make them connected with Luv ( son of Rama ). There are no books or other historian mentioning Lohana association with Luv, except their own community web-sites. Gohil also claim descent from Luv but many bibliography mentions that fact un-like Lohana folk-foreJethwarp (talk) 07:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Sisodias claim their descent from Lord Rama who was from the Raghav (Raghuvanshi) clan of Suryavanshi dynasty and the hero of the famous Hindu epic The Ramayana through his son Luv. They continued with the flag of Luv that has insignia of 'Sun' that embossed on a crimson back ground.[citation needed] The clan claims that they had moved from Lahore that was also known as 'Lohkot' or 'Lavasthali' to Shiv Desh, or Chitor in V.S 191.[3] The gotras of Sisodiyas is Vaishampayan. The Lord Jaharveer Goga ji were from Sisodiya(Bachal) family. It is considered as oldest surviving monarch .

[edit] Raja Kanak Sen of Laokot, LahoreIn V.S 193 their ancestor Maharaja Kanak sen ruled over Lahore.[4][5] Later he defeated the Kushan Satrap Rudradaman who ruled over Gujarat and moved to Gujarat on a punitive expedition against Dihraj Dev Parmar the ruler of Idar (Gujarat).[6] There he established his capital Vallabhi and a university by the same name.[7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.195 (talk) 17:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

@ to above section : you have copy paste above lines from Sisodia article. But I fail to understand what you want to prove by putting these lines in this talk pageJethwarp (talk) 17:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree Lohanas are likely not connected to Luv, but there are few non-Lohana sources which mention them as kshtriyas.

1. https://www.google.co.in/search?q=%22Chahir+Ray%22&rlz=1C1CHNQ_enIN528IN529&espv=210&es_sm=93&ei=sZGEUrb5BYTBrAet5YGYDA&start=0&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=667 Check out the story of chahir ray, many pakistan based sources have also cited it, such as the Lahore travel guide

2. Agham Luhana in the Chanchnama

3. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=4LqRXZPJTUoC&pg=PA4369&lpg=PA4369&dq=lohana+meat&source=bl&ots=kImavCgK02&sig=MeCq5lNoZkH4eo3uggiYa2rDkYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s5KEUqKOE8rYrQfJkoH4Dg&ved=0CHkQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=lohana%20meat&f=false interesting reference.

4. the legend of veer dada jasraj, battle of zora though questionable in historical accuracy do appear as 'folktales of a warrior tribe' unlikely for these stories to be created with no basis whatsoever.

5. Prithviraj's General.

so taking all these points into consideration, what do you think is likely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.14.44 (talk) 09:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Sindhi/Balochi Lohanas

The history of Sindhi/Balochi Lohanas seems to be very different than Gujarati Lohanas. Sindhi Lohanas till 1947 partition had a very well and renowned history of being Zamindars. It is also a very well known fact that they were considered higher than Jats. Also in the upper parts of Sindh and Punjab, Jats carried landlord status which was not seen in the Sindh area. History from Sindh suggests that originally Lohana were Kshatriyas and once Islamic rulers have taken over, most Jats converted to Islam and continued to enjoy Kshatriyas while Lohana slowly moved to be landlord and agriculturist. Also due to various economic persecution, most of the Lohana fled to southern Sindh near Karachi and were able to establish themselves as a business community. Another special thing about Sindhi Lohana was their surnames were based on their ancestor's name and place vs their Surname e.g. Ramchand became Ramchandani or Sukurja meant "from Sukkur". In course of doing so, many Sindhi's lost their real surnames. Although Sindhi's are proud of that because that eliminated caste bias among Sindhis faster than any other region including before Sikhism got a foothold in Punjab. Also, almost all Sindhis Lohana before partition were non-vegetarian and preferred diet included Lamb(Tivann) and Fish(Pallo) along with a lot of Besan-based dishes. Sindhi Lohana's are also generally taller and heavy built compare to neigboring Lohanas.

Chinese traveller

I have removed citation give [1], as no-where in this article there is mention of Lohana or Loh-rana.Jethwarp (talk) 07:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC) umashankar joshi has wrote history of lohrana& genetically prove relation between other suryavanshis,sindhi panjabi,mirana,thakur,sisodiya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.117.84 (talk) 17:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Lohana and Luv

There is a great argument about the connection between Luv, The son of Shri Ramchandra (Avtar of Lord Vishnu and the great great grandson of Maharaj Raghu. Lohana is a Raghuvanshi kshatriya clan, a descendant of these great men (Raghu, Ramchandra and Luv). Luv, shifted from Ayodhya (Awadh) to present day Pakistan area. His name Luv was converted to Loh, and his empire as Loh Rajya (Kingdom of Loh) with the capital at Lahore. His decedents came to be known as Loha-rana meaning the princes/chiefs of Loh kingdom. This word later changed to Lohana and today this community survives as the decedent community of great king Raghu and great king Luv. for more details visit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohana#Early_History —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aalok1996 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Lohana are Vaishyah

You are citing the article page it self, to be a proof of your claims. This is sheer non sense. Wikipedia in it self is not to be cited as a reference, please note. Although, Lahore is said to be named after Luv but that does not mean that Lohana become Kshatriya. There is no mention of Loh Kingdom [2], or Loh Rajya [3]. Apart from Lohana community's own website there is no mention of the origin of Lohana in any research or books by any noted historian British or Indian. Further, do not tell me that every king who ruled over Lahore was of Lohana community. The whole page is absurd and should be deleted as complete article is without any reliable citation. Connecting anything with Lahore - Loh - Loh Rana - Lohana wow this is good rhyming. Lohana are Kshatriya google search [4] gives conflicting results. While most books say although Lohana claim to Kshatriya there is no proof of it. They have been msotly identified as Trader community like Bhatias. see above search one books says Lohanas and Oshwals are trading castes by traditional occupation and hence belong to the Vaishya varna . other says In the all-Hindu caste ranking, both Patels and Lohanas would rank well below the Rajputs and other Kshatriyas, and perhaps would be on a par with the caste-merchants, the Banyas or Vaishyas of the varna classification. The Gazzeter of Province of Sind, year 1907,[5] mentions Lohanas, numbering 413049 in 1901, form the bulk of the Hindu population of the Province. The derivation of the name and the caste is obscure. The desire to establish a Kshatriya lineage is doubtless responsible for the theory advanced by some Lohanas that their ancestors were warriors. In census of 1901 they have been classed under the great trading caste of Vanias.[6] and they were classified by British as Vaishya caste and not warrior of Kshatriya caste. I can give many more such citations, as such the article needs a major clean-up. All these citations are enough to establish that the theory of their being Kshatriya is a result of well orchestrated propaganda by their community elders over many decades to gain upper caste identity.Jethwarp (talk) 15:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC) The census of India 1911 also classifies them as Traders i.e Vaishya [7]Jethwarp (talk) 15:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Vaniya and Lohana are two different community..also vaniyas and Lohana have different Surnames..and most importantly Lohanas came from Lahore Sindh Afghanistan while vaniyas are those from up Bihar rajasthan.. 103.250.161.144 (talk) 17:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Most of the Lohanas are Gujarati language speaking community. Therefore I would like to cite the one of the most recent authentic book on Rajputs of Gujarat,[8] The Rajputs of Saurashtra written by Virbhadras Sinhji a scion of Gohil dynasty of Bhavnagar, it also classifies Lohanas as Merchants and not Kshatriya.Jethwarp (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Lohanas are not originally Gujaratis in the first..some Lohanas settled in Gujarat doesn't make Lohanas Gujaratis... majority of Lohanas are Sindhi speaking...since you claim to be "editor" you should have some knowledge that Lohanas and Pathans in Gujarat have the lowest AASI ancestry. 103.250.161.144 (talk) 17:12, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

In Gujarat many Rajputs as a warrior caste are non-vegetarian, so usually Brahmins and Banias etc would not eat prepared food from a Rajput's house ( because the same kitchen would have been used to make meat ) but would accept un-cooked food ( grains, vegetables ) from them. In this context please read [9] following last lines of page 15 and first lines of page 16 ( clearly mentions that Brahmins, ....Lohanas donot eat food prepared by Rajputs but can take food from them. If Lohanas were Rajputs / Kshatriyas why would they not eat food prepared by another Rajput/Kshatriya ???????Jethwarp (talk) 16:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC) The word Lohar originated from the Sanskrit word, loha (Iron). Lohar is also a common Muslim family name in Pakistan. The Pakistani city of Lahore was once called Loharpur, the city of the Lohar dynasty. See Loharpur. 'Lohar'[2] is also the name of a city in the Punjab region of Pakistan. The city Lohar Chak was named after the Lohar Dynasty in Kashmir. Lohar Chak is a city in the State of Jammu & Kashmir with a population of approximately 80,901.

According to the famous british colonial writer H. A. Rose and the Governor for central provinces in India Denzil Ibbetson, Lohars are descended from Rajputs and Jats. These Rajputs and Jats were actually Tarkhan tribals (Iranian warriors) who migrated to India. Most of the Lohars had their families in Peshawar in Pakistan, Lahore in Pakistan and Kermanshah in Iran. Lohars are the clans of Sassanid Persians who once ruled Iran. These warriors were the first civilisation of Zoroastrians or sun-worshipers. The belief in Ahura Mazda has not been confirmed although they differ to a great extent from the modern-day Persians. The Zoroastrianism that the Lohars followed was entirely different from the practices laid out in the Avesta, the holy books of Zoroastrianism. The clergy altered the religion to serve themselves, causing substantial religious uneasiness. Once they entered India the members of this group were classified as Kshatriyas or Brahmins or Blacksmiths (originally Kshatriyas who manufactured weapons).

The Lohars have been linked to the Scythian tribes (ancient Iranians) of central Asia. These tribes were aggressive and expansionist Iranian warriors who settled in western and north-western South Asia in successive waves between 5th century BC and 1st century AD. Their migration to Pakistan and India happened because of the Islamic Invasion of Iran (The expansion under the prophet Mohammad, 622-632, the Patriarchial Caliphate {Muslim conquest of Persia},[clarification needed] 632-661 and the expansion during the Umayyad Caliphate, 651-750). The Saka inscriptions found at Peshawar and Mathura state "Sarvasa Sakasthanasa puyae" which are directly linked to the Iranian Origin of Lohars.

Ethnological information collected in colonial censuses indicate that the majority of the population of the Vishwakarma clan in India including Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Punjab and western Uttar Pradesh is of Saka (Iranian) origin.

[edit] Lohara dynastyMain article: Lohara dynasty The Lohara Dynasty was founded by a Nara of Darvabhisara (IV.712). He was a vyavahari (perhaps merchant) who along with others who owned villages like him had set up little kingdoms during the last days of Karkotas.[citation needed] The Lohara Dynasty is the only dynasty to rule Kashmir for several generations. Although the Lohara dynasty was not very successful in the last phase, they ruled for a remarkable period of time. The state kingdom of Lohara is now in Poonch district of the state Kashmir.

The Lohar dynasty ruled Kashmir for several centuries and throughout their time the area experienced much internal dissent, violence, attacks from the Moghuls, extremes of taxation and corruption in all its forms. Kalhana recorded the first 150 years or so of this, up to the middle of the 12th century. However it is commendable that this Dynasty was able to defend the Loha-Kot fort and thus the empire for several centuries.

[edit] Exogamous divisionsAbbasi Dagar Yaduvanshi Solanki Dangi Lohana Panwar Chauhan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.114 (talk) 17:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

@ in reply to above unsigned comment : In India blacksmiths are called Lohars. Do you want to say that Lohana are Lohars that is blacksmith. Further, you are not giving any reliable on line citation, book, readable or verifiable link to your story. Again in above you have just copy and paste words from Lohara dynasty article... The Lohara Dynasty was founded by a Nara of Darvabhisara (IV.712). He was a vyavahari (perhaps merchant). Do you think wikipedia is a place to put you whims. rhyming anything with Lohana - belongs to you. Further, you are not even listed as editor on wikipedia. un named and unsigned comments - in whole of Talk page Jethwarp (talk) 08:07, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

The following book (People of India: Maharashtra, Volume 2 By Kumar Suresh Singh, B. V. Bhanu, Anthropological Survey of India ) cited in article itself also mentions [10] that they place themselves under Vaishya order.Jethwarp (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

y-cromozome lineage mach with bhatiya, sindhi,jat,khatri.lohana have long nose and big wrist and white sceen indicate that lohana are not gujrati and here we talk thousnd year ago history not hundred.actually lohana rule on sindh 636AD then chach killed rai sahasi-2 then he band on lohana and jats.rai are lohanas .and chach afraid from lohana and jats.both tribe are power full fighter group.and lohana also rule on kashmir as a lohar dynasty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.10 (talk) 17:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

see chachnama,chach of alor,mgesthniz lawyer of alaxzander great,y-cromozome results with sindhi,panjabi and meena rajput of kashmir,kuldevi hinglaj matat's history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.10 (talk) 18:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC) •Kanaujiya or Kanyakumbj Brahmin migrated from kanoj,entered in kutch via sindh along with lohanas have surname Bhatt in kutch,divided as bhuvdiyas,vondhiyas,sandhliyas according to their village temple.others in Gujarat mainly found in jamnagar,morbi,junaghath and rajkot.surnames like Bhatt,Kaileyas,bhaglani,pingal,lakhlani,ghediya etc are common — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.6 (talk) 16:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC) Tyranny of Brahmins over Buddhist population

Usually these days, the Brahmanic scholars blame the Buddhists, for helping the Muslims during Arab invasion of Md. Bin Qasim in 712 A. D. For example, K. M. Munshi, gives three reasons for Hindus' failure, viz. (i) unpatriotic character of the Buddhists, (ii) general superstition of section of people (iii) want of loyalty towards family of royal usurpers. [Munshi:1988:xxv] However, he accepts that machinery introduced by Guptas meaning chaturvanya was continuing, and King had just recently won a "Civil war" and was an usurper. And R. C. Majumdar avers that "all the Buddhists did not support the Muslims and some actually fought against them. On the other hand, many non- Buddhists also betrayed the king and country." [Majumdar:1988:170]

That the Buddhist population who did not accept the supremacy of Brahmins were condemned to be untouchables by boycott and torture by the Brahmins, is a fact in History. In this connection, Kosare narrates an example in Sind, and observes similar thing happened to Mahars in Maharashtra.

"The religious leaders of Brahmanism hated the Buddhists. At the same time, they were afraid of these valorous, brave, gallant Buddhist warriors. An example of such a society being reduced subservient is worth quoting from history.

"In 650 A.D., in Sind, when King Sahasi died, his kingdom was usurped by his Brahmin minister Chach. Sahasi was a Buddhist and so were his subject population. In the Southern Sind, the Jats and Luhana communities were controlling the affairs. Chach defeated them and reduced their social status and put many restrictions over them. Luhana and Jat communities considered themselves as Kshatriyas. Brahmin Chach issued an order against these brave people that they must not bear any arms unless in dire emergency. They must wear black and red clothes. They must ride the horse without a saddle. While walking through the streets, they must not wear any head dress or use any foot wear. While going out, they must carry a dog with them as symbol of their caste. Similarly, they must keep the supply of fuel wood to the Subhedar of Brahmanabad. They must show the way to him and act as a spy and be honest with him. The information that such an order was passed by Chach is available in "Chach- Nama". After death of Chach, these restrictions were continuing over them in the reign of his son.

"These people are referred to as Lakha and Samma in Chach- Nama. When Md. Bin Qasim captured this territory, he continued these restrictions over these brave Luhana and Jat communities on the recommendation of Brahmins." [C. V. Vaidya, "madhya yugin bharat", book 2, pp.5-10, 40, quoted by Kosare:1989:265]

Such was the attitude of Brahmins towards the Buddhist. Under such circumstances, what kind of loyalty can be expected from these Jat and Lohana Buddhists? R. C. Majumdar is shrewd enough to hide these facts and blame on Buddhists' idea of non-violence and their "ideal of religious fraternity" transgressing nation or country, [Majumdar:1988:170] conveniently ignoring that what we today call nationality was unknown in those days. The "Civil war" mentioned by Munshi above was actually a genocide against the Buddhists. If we study history, so that it may guide us in future actions, you should be honest enough to depict the truth. Mere hiding the facts can not keep a large section in slavery. It has happened all the time that the condemned masses always found liberation, wherever they could.

Let us remember what S. A. Dange said about evaluating the history of Muslim conquests, alluding that tyranny of the masses was the cause of their success. He observed that, present historians cannot really make proper assessment as to how this tide of Muslims spread through the wilderness of deserts all over the world just on the mere basis of a Divine Message, how this mere tribal society succeeded where the likes of Alexander, Ashoka or Napoleon failed. If it was merely an onslaught of hordes, then in the past the Greeks and Romans, Alexander and Caesar had also attempted, and our history is full of aggressions by Atila's White Hunas and Red Hunas, later, even Maratha hordes had down poured on Northern India. How do you correlate these historical facts to explain the Muslim conquest? Dange avers that these are the problems facing Indian historians and it would not be solved merely by hollow talk of nationalism. [Dange: 1998: thirteen] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.6 (talk) 18:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Please do not give any arguments on basis of your figment of imagination. Wikipedia needs an article, online source, book, or other verifiable citation, which confirms your statement in the article page.

And what is this nonsense written about Y Chromosome DNA. What has it to do with Lohana's history. or they are Banias or kshatriyas. Why all these discussion about Brahmin, Buddhist on this page. If Lohana were Kshatriyas just cite a reliable source ( apart from Lohana community website ) to end the issue.Hardyraj (talk) 16:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC) Prithvi had gone to delhi once. there Nahar Rai, the king of Mandowar was impressed by prithvi. so he said to anagpal that when prithvi becomes 16 yrs, he will get his daughter married to prithvi. After some yrs, some fight comes up n he starts insulting prithvi n someshwar and says that he will not give his daughter as someshwar;s bahu. someshwar takes this as a big insult, so prithvi attacks that kingdom. Nahar Rai looses the battle and then someshwar asks him to gives his daughter as prithvi's bride. He agrees, n prithvi marries Jhamvathi. In this war, Kanha Chauhan kills Parvat Rai who was a main general of Mandowar and lohana kills ajanu-bahu another important soldier of mandowar.

in prithiraj raso lohana describe as a gladiater,fighter.and chachnama also prove lohana as a kshatriya,so we gave copy on line sorces i have not psysical coppy so i request to you all improve this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.64 (talk) 17:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC) One day prithvi asks his generals- who can jump from some place...(the height is given as batees times length of ur hand) On hearing this one of the general lohana jumps but he gets hurt...prithvi takes him to the palace n treats him by the rajvaidya.After 9 days he becomes alright Prithvi becomes happy n gives him 500 villages as gift. THis general lateron fight with the king jaswant n conquers his fort for ajmer. Prithvi gives that fort to lohana to take care of — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.64 (talk) 18:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC) Prithviraj's generals n bhimdev's brothers were having some celebration together.However some fight breaks out and one of bhimdev's brothers says something... and kanha chauhan gets angy n kills him this leads to a fight between them n finally all of bhimdev's brothers die n someof prithvi's generals also die. When prithvi hears this he gets upset n calls all his generals n says they shldn't have done thhis. Bhimdev gets angry when he knows about the death of his brothers n decides to take revenge on ajmer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.64 (talk) 18:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC) some of the states in india during prithvi's time 1)mewath - enemy of prithvi , the king was Mudhgal Rai. In the war that prithvi fought, his two generals Patan Bajid Khan and Ram Gujjar were killed by prithvi's generals Kaimas and Kuramb respectively. 2)mandowar - king was Nahar Rai. His daughter jamvathi was prithvi's first wife. it was kind of love-hate relation between ajmer n this state. The king first wanted prithvi to marry his daughter, then isulted prithvi n someshwar, so prithvi fought war, then he married his daughter to prithvi- fromt hen on the two states were on friendly terms 3)Onchar - king was jaswant. Prithvi captured this state with the help of his general Lohana. After that, the king was on friendly terms with prithvi 4)Nagaur - this was under prithvi, later prithvi makes Mir Hussein (brother of ghori) the king of this place. 5)Aabu - king was Salash Panwar. His daughter Inchini was prithvi's second wife. His first daughter mandodari married bhimdev of gujrat. After his death, the state was ruled byJaith Panwar (his son) he was a good friend of prithvi. 6)Shishirgad - was ruled by the yadav king Vijaypal (this state is supposed to be ib the eastern side of india). his daughter padmavathi was prithvi's fourth wife (third wife was dhamini- punder's sister). first he had fixed the marriege of padmavathi with the king of Kamau- Kumodham 7)Devgiri - was ruled by Somwanshi Jadhav. His daughter Shashivratha was prithvi's fifth wife. Rival of prithvi and close friend of jaichand 8)Ujjain - was ruled by King Kamdhaj. His daughter is indravathi- prithvi's sixth wife. close friend of jaichand and Somwanshi Jadhav 9) Ranbambh - ruled by King bhan. His daughter is Hamsavathi - prithvi's seventh wife 10)Kannoj - ruled by jaichand - daughter sanyogita - 8th wife of prithvi 11)gazni - ruled by ghori. his important generals wereThatkar khan, arab khan, Mir Jaman, Khurasa Khan, Rahan Khan, Rustam Khan, Haji Khan, Gazi Khan, Jammar Khan, Muhabat Khan and Mir khan

prithvi's important generals -punder, sanjam rai, Kaimas, Kanha chauhan, Sur Singh, Goyinder Raj, Chamand Rai, punjam Rai lohana here we only info. from raso here thatker khan may be hindu pathan lohana with ghory.and lohana also seen with prithvi.this is for ref. lohana was kshatriya.so please don't indicate as a vaishya.here is enough ref.that lohana are kshatriya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.64 (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC) KEEP DISTANCE BITWEEN LOHANA AND LOHAR:here remove confusion lohana and lohar both diffrent caste,founder of lohar was vyovahari means arm trader purhaps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhavinkundaliya (talk • contribs) 09:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

(As of 1947)

EXTRACTS - As Published in “History of Hindus in Sind"

Author: Diwan Bherumal Mahirchand Advani

 Published:   1946-1947

Translated and updated wherever possible by:

Narain Sobhraj Kimatrai

LOHANA: - Arorvanshi.  

Nukh: - Asarpota, Panditpota, Jobanota, Popat, Chhug, Thakral, Chhabria, Sejpal, Somaiya, Karya, Katar (Khatar), Mamotia, and Dhodheja etc.

A European by name of ‘Anthovan’ had written a book on the 'Races and Casts of Bombay Presidency'. In the third chapter, page 371 of the book, he has stated that Lohana’s are descendants of Shree Ramachandra’s son Lava.

From Ramayana, it is learnt that after Raja Dashratha, Shree Ramachandra inherited Ayodhiya. It is stated in Raghu Vansh (15, 87) that Bharat, Shree Ramachandra’s brother, inherited the Province of Sind. (Sind Desh).

Shree Ramachandra had two sons. Kush and Luva. They were twins but Kush was considered eldest. After Shree Ramachandra, Kush inherited Ayodhiya. His descendants were called Vanhans. His brother Luva, inherited the northern part of Koshal, and his descendants were called Lohana.

Mr. Anthovan states that according to the folklore, Lohana are Rathod Rajputs (Khatri). Raja Jaichand of Kanoj (Kanya Kabaj) tormented them and they could do nothing. They prayed to their Deity who told them that the following morning they should walk a mile or two in a certain direction till they reached an Iron Fort.

The Deity instructed the Rathods to take refuge in the Fort for sixteen days and leave thereafter. The Rathods would then be able to defeat their enemy. The Iron Fort would vanish on the twenty-first day and they were told to then construct a new Fort at that site. Having taken refuge in the Iron Fort, the Rathods changed their name to Lohana (Loha = Iron and Na = Of) and named all their Forts starting with Lo or La viz. Loh Gadah and Lahore. The Lohanas thereafter migrated to Multan and Sind. In the 13th century, some of them went to Kutch.

Those Lohanas who lived in Sind, according to Mr. Anthovan, have many Nukhs viz. Asarpota, Panditpota, Jobanota, Popat, Chhug, Thakral, Chhabria, Sejpal, Somaiya, Karya, Katar (Khatar) and Mamotia etc. According to the History of Arorvanshi, persons belonging to above-mentioned Nukhs lived in Punjab as well.

Prior to the Arab invasion, the Lohanas lived in Sind and were wealthy. But as a result of Arab invasion, many Rulers & Kings along with some of their subjects fled Sind and took refuge in Kutch and Punjab. They are identified in Punjab as ‘Arorvanshi’. Aror derived from Alwar, and Vanshi meaning hailing from, or resident of.

Those Hindus who stayed behind were asked by the Arabs to convert to Islam. Many Sindhi Muslims are descendants of these converts.

In the year 1194, Mohd. Ghori invaded and defeated Kanoj’s Raja Jaichand and murdered thousands of Hindus. The Lohanas and other Hindus out of fright and fear started serving the Muslim Masters. The author, Diwan Bherumal M. Advani, in his volume has opined that this was the start of Muslim domination in Sind.

The Lohana, though Khatri (warriors), thus transformed to Vaishas (traders). ACCORDING TO DEVOTEE OF GODESS HINGLAJMATA:jaichand rathod called ghori,he send treasure to ghori but 84 sardar of jaichand stole treasure to prevent ghori,they went to hinglajgadh,ma hinglaj send them to lohargadh after death of jaichand they came to marvar all are called marvadi loharana,lohana.lohana were also in prithirajs army. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.114.30 (talk) 17:34, 20 August 2011 (UTC) here's a page that talks about a Lohana's DNA results http://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/lohana-history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.36.81.252 (talk) 20:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC) here's a more accurate DNA result of a Lohana http://www.genealogywise.com/forum/topics/genetics-of-lohanas-based-on — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.36.81.252 (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Populating Category:Lohana

I've created Category:Lohana, so if anyone knows of other subcastes which belong in that cat, please include them there. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC) some historian think that rathod and lohana are same caste.Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

second one is lohani tribe of multan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhavinkundaliya (talk • contribs) 17:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Are you referring to Lohani (Pashtun)? Do we have any evidence that they are related, other than similar names? The Lohani are Pashtun/Pathan, but it's not my understanding that Lohana have any links to the Pathan. Is that the case and the article doesn't mention it? MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

[[11]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhavinkundaliya (talk • contribs) 17:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

First, that's a forum, not a WP:Reliable source. Anyone can post anything on a forum, so we have no way to quality-controlling such input. Further, I don't see anything there saying that the Lohana and Lohani are related, that Lohana are Pathan/Pashtun, were in Multan, nothing. What point are you trying to support? And do you have any reliable academic sources which support your point? MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:25, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

[[12]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:29, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Now we're talking; this is a much better source that raises some really interesting points! Based on this, I would not object, for the moment, including Lohani (Pashtun) in Category:Lohana. That said, it would probably be more defensible if we first add some mention to Lohana summarising (briefly) the books arguments. Maybe a sentence or two somewhere saying "Scholar X states that the Lohani Pashtuns and the Lohana may be related as..." ? Do you know if this is mainly Oonk's theory, or are there a wider variety of folks? If there are a couple different scholars sharing this theory, it'll make it even stronger.

Thanks for taking the time to find a solid ref, that helps a ton. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

lohana shifted their capital lohghat to alor they are rorvanshi(purhaps ror dynasty)one branch of ror rat-ror or rathore ,arora also claim to lohana as a same caste and jat also claim lohanparamakamboja utkarni ihave read some where.Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Interesting points, but again recall that sourcing is key. Find a good source for it, and then we can dig into the idea. Here's one interesting though rather old reference: [13], Balfour's Cyclopaedia. I'd be hesitant to take this at face-value (being antiquated), but its description of Lohanas of the author's time should be somewhat accurate, and the other historical data should give us some clues of what sort of things to look for. He does indeed appear to being a Lohana-Lohani relationship, including both in the same section. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

there is a Kakkar pashtun tribe in Afghanistan it is related to kakkar Lohana Sagar Raithatha (talk) 16:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

[[14]],[[15]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhavinkundaliya (talk • contribs) 17:55, 30 September 2011 (UTC) other tribes are sisodiya,meena rajput and leva patel all claim to lava decedant.

vandalism

vandalism by jethwarp,keep an eye on it.trying to despite lohana category202.47.117.140 (talk) 17:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Reply : Please note that the whole Lohana article had been unreliable and unsourced before I made a significant additions giving reliable citations and third party references to make it an article to be worth of wikipedia see my additions in history section [16] on 2nd October, 2011 to justify that Lohana are from Kshatriya descant but in present circumstances in Gujarat and also in Government records they are considered as Vaishya community. I am an experienced editor, do not put vandalism charges without any proof. Instead of appreciating my efforts to have re-written whole article and make it a good article status, I have noticed that there are some people like you, who edit from different IP address and are hell bent on saying your POV. And trying to remove it from Vaishya category. Although it has been me who also added it to both Kshatriya and Vaishya category to justify Lohana history. Next time I will not take such vandalism charges lightly. Jethwarp (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

the Chachnama,C.V Vaidya,Andre Wink,M.H Syed and many other sources confirm that King Rai Agham Lohana of Agham Kot and Brahminabad Ruled parts of Sindh and Lakha Samma Sahata Kotak Channa are LOHANAS.

And the first ruler of samma dynasty Jam Unar was also a muslim Lohana Sagar Raithatha (talk) 16:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Rasa,Lohana

Chanda Bardai, the illustrious bard and poet of Rajasthan, has narrated in his epic Prithviraj Rasa the tenacity and bravery of Lohanas of Kutch and Saurashtra . They fought for Prithviraj Chauhan against Shahbuddin Ghori.[[17]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 16:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC) other ref.[[18]] [[19]],[[20]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 16:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Lohana Anjan Bahu, General of prithviraj. [[21]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 10:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Lohana help prithviraj Chauhan to defeat Raja Jasvant of Onchar and prithvi also marry to Jasvant's daughter. [[22]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 10:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Chand Bardai, who wrote RASA, he describe Lohana Anjanbahu. [[23]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 10:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

first hindi poem. see all records in Devangari Script.Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 10:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

other

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mXjrTuKDJcXjrAfjn7jfCA&sqi=2&id=bBALAAAAYAAJ&dq=Hiuen+Tsang%2C+Lohana&q=Lohana

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=BHfrTp7mI8PQrQfkxdzkCA&sqi=2&id=_5MtAAAAMAAJ&dq=Firishta%2C+Lohana&q=+LohanaBhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

in the 2nd century Lohanki script specialy belong to Lohana community.[24]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 11:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Possible that Lakhani comes from Lakha-Rana, a rajput king of Mewar.[25]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Lohanas have ruled ancient Kingdoms[26]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:42, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

the Lohanas have descended from the ancient Rajput Lords who inhabited and ruled the country before the Muslim era[27]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

lohana took part in Battle of the Ten Kings not sure check it[28][29]]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Mohammad Ali Jinnah

I have just removed an entry for Mohammad Ali Jinnah. I do not deny that the sources provided did say that he was a Lohana but our article on the man is a Featured Article and does not mention this information. That it does not mention it is usually a sign that there are differences of opinion regarding his caste/tribal status or that the person rejected the entire notion. I think it would be best to discuss the caste/tribal issue at Talk:Mohammad Ali Jinnah first and if there is consensus to add the detail to that article then reinstate it here. Please do not just add the info to that article without discussion: messing around with Featured Articles when the issue might be contentious is never really a good idea. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I have initiated the discussion at Talk:Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah#Caste.2Ftribe. - Sitush (talk) 11:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I think Muhammad Jinnah should be readded. I added it to the talk page of Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Spbone (talk) 16:31, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Lohana are originaly Rahore Rajpt

Repeat i am giving reference[30][31][32][33]Bhavinkundaliya (talk) 14:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The sources do not say that at all. They're all based on Raj ethnography, which we tend to deprecate here, and they all say that it is a claim that was made by the Lohana community. That is, it was the typical caste puffery that still goes on every day here at Wikipedia and is indeed being pursued by you with your statement that they are originally Rajput. We ignore it. - Sitush (talk) 14:47, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

[34] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.97.111.48 (talk) 18:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Lohana population figure is grossly understated

Lohana population was .5 Million in 1896. And I can think of no reason why their population would stagnate for over a century. I can do the math and their numbers are probably around 4 - 5 million in Gujarat, but we can't use that as reference. So until someone comes up with a more reliable reference, I am removing their population figure from the article.

I am unsure about their numbers in the U.K. so leaving that as is. Someone should look into it. ShamusHarper (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

That source is unreliable. - Sitush (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

However, the source that you removed did not say what you thought it did (and what the article said). It claims that the figure for India is in excess of 0.5 million, not less than 0.5 million. I have amended the article but I am pretty concerned regarding where the source derived its statistic - there were no caste censuses covering the Lohana from 1931 until at least 2011, and the 2011 caste data has not been published. I am similarly concerned about the figure given for the UK. - Sitush (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

References

I have not conducted 'original research'. I displayed why the quoted population figures are erroneous and the source I presented here, in-fact states the same exact that the original reference (cited for the .5 million Lohana figure) does, with the exception that the book I cited was published in 1896.

Also, the original article, before I edited it, actually stated their numbers as less than 500,000: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lohana&oldid=646205190

^The symbol used was "<" which implies that their numbers are 'less than'. The symbol to indicate 'greater than' is actually ">". In either case, it is more appropriate to write out 'greater than' than to use the > symbol.

Further, according to the British Indian Census of 1901, the Lohana population was approximately .5 million just in Sindh (not including the ones in Gujarat): https://books.google.com/books?id=ljbS-I5Y8WMC&pg=PA31&dq=CENSUS+OF+INDIA,+1901+%22Lohana%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pj9BVbuvN8-HsQSxxoCoAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=CENSUS%20OF%20INDIA%2C%201901%20%22Lohana%22&f=false

^.5 million in Sindh, prior to their exodus from Pakistan, 70,000 in Saurashtra, far more in Kutch. But this is logic and reasoning. There is no source that's going to spell this out. So there are two options left: either omit population stats completely or specify that the Census was conducted a century back, in 1901. ShamusHarper (talk) 23:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Did you read what I said? The article was wrong to say < and I fixed that. It is original research to suggest that the population must have expanded over the last century or so. The 1901 census of India was no more reliable that Bhattacharya, who got his figures from the 1891 census. No Raj census was reliable but there is a chance that a 1999 source is using some more accurate, modern data. I've also indicated that I have my doubts regarding whether that 1999 source actually is doing. - Sitush (talk) 05:26, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

It would be original research if I were to actually mention that in the article. I had no intention to do that. I came here to point out what was wrong, which is what I've done: "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented. (This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages.)"

"Appropriate sourcing can be a complicated issue, and these are general rules. Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are appropriate on any given occasion is a matter of good editorial judgment and common sense, and should be discussed on article talk pages."

Also, can you explain why the 1901 Census of India, conducted by the British Raj, is unreliable? The 1999 source, Socio-cultural History of an Indian Caste by C. Dwarakanath Gupta, states the same exact that Bhattacharya does. Word for word, and not just regarding Lohanas. Nearly every single community description is identical. Gupta simply rehashed what Bhattacharya published a century earlier. ShamusHarper (talk) 00:03, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

See the draft at User:Sitush/CasteSources and the article at Census in India prior to independence. Plenty of citations etc there that should help you to understand why you need to stop edit warring here. - Sitush (talk) 06:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I have not edit warred, so you need to stop with the slandering. And Dwarakanath Gupta plagiarised from Raj census, which by your own reasoning is unreliable. ShamusHarper (talk) 01:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Possible Pashtun ancestry?

ITs even said that Lohana's are descendants of Pashtuns of the Lohani tribe who were traders in North India at the time and set up big trading ports and intermarried with the local women of the few who settled. Akmal94 (talk) 19:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

yes it seems to be true.. Pashtuns are said to have practiced Buddhism before Islam.. similarly Rai dynasty that ruled parts of Sindh was a Buddhist dynasty King Rai Agham Lohana was a Buddhist and Lohanas still have Surnames like buddhdev and bhuddhiraja and most importantly Lohanas along with Khatris have the lowest AASI ancestry in india..it suggests the Lohanas are descendents of The Lohani Pashtun Sagar Raithatha (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Recent anon edit

I have just reverted a recent edit by someone who was not logged in. I'm not saying that the thing was useless but the edit tried to do so many different things in one hit that I have found it difficult to untangle what may be good changes from other stuff that doesn't seem to be in the sources. If someone wants to have a go then feel free but please could the changes be introduced in smaller edits. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Deleting Important Information

Sitush and Anomiebot are deleting important information in the Lohana pge regarding the ruler; Agham Lohana and other information such as Chach forbidding the Lohanas to carry swords, furthermore the information on Agham Lohana and the Lohanas carrying swords have got actual citations and links from actual history books i.e Chachnama and the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.80.98.79 (talk) 10:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Chachnama is not a reliable source. No ancient primary text is - see WP:PRIMARY. - Sitush (talk) 11:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia user sitush replied "No ancient text is reliable source"

The truth is that Historians only consider "ancient text" to be authentic Sources..

If the 12th century Chachnama, Colonel Jems Todd, Annals and antiques of Rajasthan,M.H Syed, C.V Vaidya, Chand Bardai Prithviraj Raso etc are not reliable sources then what is ?

Other History books such as

Kutch history books, Maha jati Gujarati, Rasmala etc also stated that Lohana are Kshatriya Sagar Raithatha (talk) 17:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

The wikipedia user sitush clearly stated that 'we do not use ancient primary sources' regarding Agham Lohanas ruling story and the Chachnama and The Lohanas carrying Swords, which are clear facts recognised by historians as these 'apparently ancient' texts are what historians use and many Wikipedia pages use ancient sources, especially regarding Hindu castes/communities like the Rajputs, as these historical/ancient texts explain the history of the Hindu community/caste.

WE have a policy, as explained, and it applies here. That some other article may not be adhering to that policy just means that article needs to be addressed also. It doesn't mean the policy can be avoided. - Sitush (talk) 11:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Sitush if I add a primary source such as Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan (which is a reliable source, even according to Wikipedia), it was written by Colonel James Tod who was a historian during colonial times of India. If I write a short sentence of information derived from the 'Annals and Antiques of Rajathan Book'bon Lohana Wikipedia page that will be ok right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.80.98.79 (talk) 11:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

James Tod is not a reliable source and I don't know where you are seeing Wikipedia suggest that his Annals book is such. We do not use sources from the British Raj era, nor earlier people like Tod. - Sitush (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

If James Tod and Chachnama are not reliable references then delete all articles related to Tod and Chachnama. Why these articles exist on Wikipedia?

Raj era Images

The two images of men and women in the article date from the Raj era.Since it is Wikipedia policy not to use Raj era sources, should these images be removed ? Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:09, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

This images does not belong to Lohana, So it should be removed from this page.

Lohana are ancient kshatriya reference

1) Lohana are ancient kshatriya proved from the letter of Chach of Aror to Agham Lohana Book: Sindhi Culture, Author: U. T. Thakur, Press: Bombay University, page no. 57 [[35]]

2) Lohanas are originally Rathore rajpoot. Ref: Bombay Gazetteer page no. 216, Volume IX part 1, Gujarat Population, print year 1901 [[36]]

3) The Lohanas appear to have been originally Kshatriyas. Ref: Book: History of mediaeval Hindu India, Author: Chintaman Vinayak Vaidya, page no. 165 [[37]]

4) Book: Lohana are rathod rajpoot. Revatat Raso (रेवातट रासो), Part (भाग): 2, Author: Bipin Vihari Trivedi (बिपिन विहारी त्रिवेदी), Publisher (प्रकाशक): Lucknow University (लखनऊ विश्व विद्यालय), page no: 113 [[38]]

5) Lohana is a short-form of Lohar-Rana and they descendants of kind Lava (Ramayana) son of Bhagvan Rama. Ref: Book: Kashmir: Its Aborigines and Their Exodus, Author: Colonel Tej K Tikoo [[39]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.229.36.143 (talk) 11:30, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Lohbana/Lobana/Lavana/Labana/Lubana/Lohana/Lohani Sikh

Yes, the lubanas were once a part of rajputs . They were from suryavansi ,chandarvanshi rajputs .but with the passage of time they change and come under the naik rajputs and then naik lubanas and now only lubabas.They were first from (rajput)warrior caste but some change there professions to merchant and trading class they were lubanas .Then lubanas came under the merchant class as they trade both inside and outside country .for trading outside the country they use ships and inside the country they use bullocks .They were rich as there are many lubanas trades recorded in sikh history eg:- bhai mansukh ..he was trader of srilanka and he introduced guru nanak ji to king of srilanka . In 1575, Satguru Ram Das Sahib appointed First Masand Of Africa, Dasa Lubana, Father of Makhan Shah Lubana..

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Population in India:355,000 Largest States on file: Punjab (283,000), Haryana (16,000), Rajasthan (11,000), Jammu and Kashmir (10,000), Uttar Pradesh (10,000), Delhi (8,000), Maharashtra (3,600), Uttaranachal (3,300), Chandigarh (2,200), Madhya Pradesh (1,900),

Lobanas are residing in and around India from ancient times. People of Labanas were basically Rajputs.[5][6], offshot of Ikshwakus of Ramayana. [7]. In 1891 Census, they were categorized under Rajputs and are descendents of Suryavanshi and Chandarvanshi Kashatriyas.

In Ludhiana and Jhang districts, the Lobanas claimed to be the descendants of Chauhan Rajputs of Jaipur and Jodhpur. [8] In Gujarat district, they claimed to be Raghu vanshi Rajputs. [9] The Lobanas of Kangra and Hoshiarpur districts claimed their origin from the Gaur Brahmins of Pilibhit. A good number of them traced their origin from Gaur Brahmins who came to the Panjab from Rantham bore in Aurangzeb's time. [10] [11]

According to Para Singh Tanda Of Laban Sewak Jan 2008, Labanas were once part of the Rajputs (a warrior caste), he attributes the name laban to use of iron (loh) in the armor they wore. Some people from among these warriors started trading to earn their livelyhood in times of peace with the result that the name altered to Vanzaras (trade/transport). It is said that the Lobanas are of Turkish origin. They travelled from Turkey toward India and that is why they are also called "Banjaras" ("travellers") because during travel they had to set up some businesses along their way.

The labana claim to be descendants of Luva, son of Rama and to descend from the suryavanshi lineage of king tracing its ancestry to the sun. They were great merchants until mid 18th century mainly trading spices and different grains from india to africa and europe or vice versa. Acc. to Gurmat Parkash, Magazine by SGPC, Lobana also means who wear Iron Dress, i.e dress of Military person. In punjab Guzars are also called labana. Labanki, [1]

Labanki, which once was the dialect of Labanas, is an extinct Indo-Aryan language. It was a mixture of Marwari, Punjabi, Gujarati and Marathi.[2]

Some Notable Person of Lohbana From History

Naik Porus Maharaja Sandles Maharaja Kundles Maharaja Mordhawj Maharaja Kohdhawj Maharaja Anagpal Tomar Maharaja Suraj Mal Maharaja Haria rai Maharaja Jhabbu Nayak Maharaja Makhan Shah Lohbana Maharaja Lakhi Shah Maharaja Ranjit Singh Sardar Sham Singh Attari

Hindu Lohana

Lobana is 2nd in india 5 th in Aisa 11 th in world the most common cast, 15% of india and 70% of gujarat"s Business in being handled by Lohana Lohana us the 6th most richest community in the world, Lohana cast have 423 different type of sub surnames, 65% NRI are lohanas. Lohana is an official cast in 43 country, In 2018 Lohana cast will be world"s number one cast, Lohana the name is enough......... Proud to be LOHANA..............

Lohbana History too long and Old. Lohbana population is more than 20cr by including all Hindu Sikh Mulslim ( Lohbana/Lubana/Lobana/Lohana/Labana/Lavana )

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Lohana, Lohani and Labana are different people, don't count them as one.

Lohana and Labana are different people. Lohani are those who belonge to that country which ruled by Lohanas, they migrate from Sindh to Afghanistan. Please don't mess up these things.117.228.106.248 (talk) 05:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Images are not of Lohana

The pictures added to this article are not of Lohana clan, please remove those pictures.

Why are photos of people of other races posted on this page?

Why is the image of another race forcibly posted in the name of Lohana? What is the proof that these photos are of Lohana caste? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.228.114.232 (talk) 14:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Lohanas, Khatris and Pashtuns

Are Lohanas and Khatris Hindu Pashtuns ? Sagar Raithatha (talk) 15:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Lohanas practised Buddhism

Lohanas practiced Buddhism during Rai Dynasty Rule King Rai Agham Lohana and his clans Lakha Samma Sahata Kotak Channa etc were Buddhists.. Lohanas have still Surnames Buddhdev Buddhiraja Acharya etc..For more History Read chachnama Sagar Raithatha (talk) 17:03, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Lohana and Slavs

Lohana and Slavs have high proportion of R1a1a. Genetics don't lie. These groups are closely related to each other. 77.9.5.240 (talk) 04:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

yes because Lohanas are Kakkad Lohani Pathans of Baluchistan Sindh Sagar Raithatha (talk) 17:43, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Gujarati Lohana

Should there be a separate page on Gujarati Lohana? It seems the Hindu Gujarati and Sindhi Lohanas may share the same origin, but have developed differences in terms of language, culture, and religion. Comments please.Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

.. there's nothing called Gujarati Lohana all of them are from Baluchistan Sindh Lahore and Afghanistan it's just that Lohanas live in Gujarat that doesn't make them Gujaratis.. Lohanas are Lohanas be it Sindhi Gujarati balochi or Punjabi..as far as culture and language are concerned you have to respect the culture and language of the state you're living in... that's what Lohanas are doing.. Sagar Raithatha (talk) 07:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Sagar Raithatha, Ethnically all Lohana may share the same origin but do they all belong to the same caste or tribe? One test is whether they used to marry lohanas from different language group to their own? They may be doing that now, but then caste lines overall are less strict than in the past.My two cents. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)