Talk:List of people from Las Vegas

North Las Vegas

Being part of a city's metropolitan area does not make another city (if that's the case) "part" of this [presumably] larger city. Many large cities, all over the world, have rather large metropolitan areas, which consists of other cities whose population largely work in or depend upon the larger city to survive. None of that voids their status as a different city. Since this article is about people from (or who have had a relevant impact on) the city of Las Vegas, Nevada, people from other cities, even if they are dependent on Las Vegas to "survive", are not to be listed here. I do not know if North Las Vegas is another city or municipality that is part of the Las Vegas metropolitan area, or if this is just an administrative division and N LV is in fact an area of LV. Only in the latter case would entries of people from North Las Vegas be admissible in this article. Can someone clarify that? I'll some research of my own. Regards, Redux 22:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Mistery solved by our own articles on North Las Vegas and Clark County. North Las Vegas is not a part of Las Vegas. They are both incorporated in the same county (Clark County), of which Las Vegas is the seat, and, of course, N LV is part of the Las Vegas metropolitan area. But as I said, none of that makes it the same city as Las Vegas, it's a different one, and people from there are not to be listed here. The current entry will be removed. Regards, Redux 22:34, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

By that rationale virtually no one in this article could be referred to as a Las Vegan. The majority of las vegans actually live outside of the city proper. The city of Las Vegas is a political boundary. The reality is that anyone living in unincorporated Clark County will tell you that they live in Las Vegas. The same holds true with other municipalities like North Las Vegas and to a lesser extent Henderson. Boulder City does not fall into this category. Looking through the list of las vegans I found that most of them either perform or reside outside the city of Las Vegas. For example celine dion performs at ceasers palace, which is not in las Vegas. The rat pack famously performed at the Sands, which is also outside the city limits. What I'm trying to say is that political boundaries are almost totally ignored when talking about Las Vegas. In fact, most people who have visited "las Vegas" and only been to the strip have not been in Las Vegas at all but instead have been in unincorporated Clark County. You mentioned that NLV's status as a city should not be voided because of the dependence or proximity to another city. I feel that for the purposes of this article it should be because NLV is indiscernible from LV. Barely anyone, outside of city government or the media is even aware of the distinction or the boundaries. I know that truth is not determined by consensus but for the sake of simplicity this article's criteria for "las vegan" should include the Las Vegas valley and not respect political boundaries. One more quick note, in other wikipedia articles the Las Vegas valley and all its municipalities, government entities are referred to collectively as "las Vegas". Thoughts? Vegasjon 22:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The situation that generated my comments above was that someone included a person in the "Native" section because that person had been born in North Las Vegas. I was then explaining that being born in N LV does not make one native to Las Vegas. You make an interesting point though. If the situation is that fluid, perhaps we might consider moving this article to something like List of people from the Las Vegas Valley, so that we are clear on what it is that people are looking at. If we perform the move, the present title would be turned into a redirect to the new title (that's done automatically by the system, anyway). In that case, we might want to come up with an introduction explaining the fluidity of the borders — which you could probably write much better than I ever could. What about it? We might go for a different title than what I've just proposed too. Regards, Redux 02:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. I'd feel more comfortable with the move if it could be seconded, preferably by someone from/living in the las vegas area.Vegasjon 20:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

If you know of some other user(s) from the Las Vegas area, it could be interesting to invite them directly to pitch in here. But if we can't get anyone else interested, the decision will have to be made by us two, since we've been actively involved with the article recently. I gather we are going with the title I proposed above for the moment? Regards, Redux 21:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it is a good idea to do this like you said. I have also added a correction to this main page regarding the person you are talking about. - Tim

Excellent. All we are waiting for here, I believe, is for more people from the Vegas area to get onboard. That's particularly because we would need a cooperation of locals (or people who know more than the average about the fluidity of county boarders in the Las Vegas Valley --which is practicaly nothing, like me :/ ) in order to get that new introduction about the fluidity of borders right. Regards, Redux 20:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

If you are going to rename, and I don't see a reason to not rename, then it should be to List of people from the Las Vegas metropolitan area for which there is an article. Vegaswikian 19:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Att. Redux Maddux Edit

I belive the Maddux edit should be reverted. He is recognized my most las vegans as "from" here. Whenever mentioned on the local news he's refered to as "Las Vegan Greg Maddux". Thoughts?

Bottom line is: he is not from Vegas. Was not born there, hence is not a native. It is not that uncommon for someone to be "adopted" by a place and be viewed as [almost] a local. Therefore, there would be no obstacle to adding him to the "Non-natives" section, provided he made a significant enough contribution to the city (naturally, as a celebrity, his mere being there could attract some degree of visibility to any given place, and it could be enough). I didn't find any evidence to as much, and that is why I removed him altogether (otherwise I'd simply have moved the name to the non-native entry). It's a tricky business: someone who wasn't born in a city (in this case, Las Vegas), can be more of a "local" than someone who was born there but doesn't really relate to the place anymore (such as actors who just happened to have been born there). But still, the criterion is objective: automatic inclusion, in the "Native" section, is only for those who were born there. Other people may be included under "Non-native", but some sort of tangible contribution to the history/mistique (or whatever one might call it) of Las Vegas must be verified. In conclusion, if Maddux had or has an impact on the city on some level, he should be included in the "Non-native" section. But we cannot include him under "Native", not unless he was born there (which he wasn't). Regards, Redux 03:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I was only referring to him being in the non-native section. I'm aware he's not native. I still believe that he should be included in the non-native section but thus far I have nothing but consensus among long time Las Vegans. Therefore, I concede that, for now, his omission is probably less damaging to the integrity of the article than his inclusion.Vegasjon 22:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Is his being there usually noteworthy? That is, is there an impact on the population (who might relish his presence) or maybe even the city itself (which may get press attention on account of his being there)? That might be sufficient. Regards, Redux 22:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I googled "Greg Maddux Las Vegas" and found these articles among others.

Review Journal 98’ poll where Greg Maddux claimed second place in the Local Male Athlete category http://www.reviewjournal.com/bestoflv/1998/people/maleathlete.html

Review Journal 99’ poll where Greg Maddux was voted the “Top Impact Athlete with Local Ties http://www.reviewjournal.com/bestoflv/1999/publishers/pp-athlete.html

About.com article that discusses Maddux’s family and las vegas residency http://lasvegas.about.com/cs/famouslocals/a/GregMaddux_2.htm

Baseball Prospectus page where the author tells a (exaggerated) story about las vegas affection for Maddux. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/maddugr01.php

Las Vegas entertainment mag reporting on Maddux playing a local charity golf game http://www.lasvegas-nv.com/et/si011002.htm

Las Vegas 51’s, (our local AAA baseball team) will have Greg Maddux Bobbleheads at the Friday July 14, 2006 game. http://www.lv51.com/tickets/?zone=tickets_33

Local baseball academy endorsed by Maddux. http://www.lvbaseballacademy.com/main.html

From Wikipedia’s greg maddux page. “He graduated from Valley High School in Las Vegas, Nevada and currently maintains his residence there.”

I feel this goes beyond the attention that would be devoted to someone if they were a celebrity residing someplace with no other connection. Vegasjon 21:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for Comment

A page similar to this one. List of people from San Francisco, is currently under review as an article for deletion, for reasons which would apply to this article as well. I am conducting an RfC on the talk page of the above-mentioned list to determine whether the concensus agrees on keeping such lists or not. Any and all comments are more than welcome. Badbilltucker 16:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I see the pages you mentioned. But this particular article includes a list of people that played a significant role in the city's history, even though they are not from Las Vegas. I do believe LV is a unique case in that regard, in view of its history (or rather, that of the gambling industry's history). Those people are not covered in a category of people from Las Vegas, or any other single category, particularly because they come from several walks of life. It is true though that the article's title is somewhat inaccurate in that regard. If you check the threads above, you'll see that we started work to come up with a better naming for it, but so far the much needed help from Las Vegas locals has not come through. Redux 16:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Two more actors need to be here...

How about adding Charlie Stewart(now a teen actor[age 15 now], he is best known for playing Bonnie Hunt's younger son on "LIfe with Bonnie on ABC a few years ago)?...and also Thomas Ian Nicholas, most recently seen as Frank Sinatra, Jr. in a cable biopic five years ago?...Baldwin91006 (talk) 03:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Anetra

To add: Anetra ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)