Talk:List of peerages held by prime ministers of the United Kingdom

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Requested move 20 February 2020 edit

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:01, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

– Compliance with policy Wikipedia:Article titles, specifically WP:CONSISTENT; and the guidelines contained within Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography, specifically MOS:JOBTITLES. Numerous lists exists concerning British prime ministers, and currently there is inconsistency with capitalisation. Most article titles in the scope are decapitalised.

i.e. List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom · List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age · Historical rankings of prime ministers of the United Kingdom · Living prime ministers of the United Kingdom · Timeline of prime ministers of the United Kingdom · List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by tenure start · List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by length of tenure

Per MOS:JOBTITLES, the capitalised PM article titles should be decapitalised, because they denote an office, as opposed to a title. Editing with Eric (talk) 15:28, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Comment: I agree with the decapitalisation per MOS:JOBTITLES, but for the sake of WP:CONCISION, would List of peerages held by British prime ministers, etc., be better? The earlier figures in these lists were prime ministers of Great Britain rather than of the United Kingdom. For the constituencies one I'd suggest List of British prime ministers' constituencies. Ham II (talk) 21:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

That is definitely an issue with current article titles, often it is addressed in article leads that it was Great Britain before 1801 but it's nonetheless problematic. I think a change like that would see a couple obstacles however,

Consistency across not just UK-PM articles, but other non-UK officeholders. e.g. Usually article titles name the full office, rather than using a proper adjective e.g. List of prime ministers of Canada by constituency not List of Canadian prime ministers by constituency.
The lesser issue of WP:PRECISION, although unlikely, "British prime ministers" could also be interpreted as any British person, who has been prime minister of any country. I know national identities in NI are often controversial, however James Craig, 1st Viscount Craigavon was British, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, and also held a peerage. If List of peerages held by British prime ministers is interpreted very literally he could potentially be included in this list.

I actually agree that some of these article titles could be improved, but that would probably be outside the scope of a simple capitalisation move here. Editing with Eric (talk) 10:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

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