Talk:List of discrete event simulation software

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I've moved this out of the discrete event simulation article: it was attracting apparently-promotional links. -- The Anome (talk) 11:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Commercial links

It appears that this list is missing any reference to discrete event simulators used in the realm of digital design. Specifically for VHDL, Verilog, and SystemVerilog programming languages. Examples of companies that provide such software are Cadence, Modeltech, and Synopsis. I didn't add any as I don't know if this is the appropriate place for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.253.161.182 (talk) 12:01, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

There is still a large number of commercial links that looks like self-promotion (The globally recognized standard, most advanced, etc). Is there a better template than 'linkfarm' to warn a reader of this fact? 'bias' seems to do it, but apparently theres got to be a dispute first!?193.109.51.249 (talk) 15:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the entries without their own articles. --Ronz (talk) 15:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

yes, there should be a dispute. How come our open source link to Tortuga has been removed? I saw various references to "link farms" and "self-promotion links" - so what? Is not the name of the page "List of discrete event simulation software" ?? Aren't there supposed to be links to discrete event simulation software?

Why would you remove every link that doesn't have their own wikipedia page? That hardly makes sense. Our homepage with all of the descriptive info lives permanently at another URL, and I am sure that is true for others. Besides, the last time I added a page about a piece of software, TUFDefender, it was removed by an administrator as "patent nonsense" and "self-promotional."

You really need to decide what you want out of a page called "List of...." - DUH, how about a list?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by James.barkley (talk • contribs) 18:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

See WP:EL, WP:SPAM, WP:NOTLINK, WP:LIST. --Ronz (talk) 18:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Open Source Links

At least for the open source links it should not be mandatory to provide a full fledged wikipedia article before the package can be mentioned in this article. Wikipedia lists are a valuable source of information for software users like myself. As JaamSim is a quite elaborate product it should be possible to get it on the list. I'm not aware of any policy which would prevent that. Wikipedia itself would not be where it is today if external links were not allowed. Pstaudt-fischbach (talk) 19:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

I went ahead and bravely added SimJulia with a weblink-only entry. --ojdo (talk) 13:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Considering the mentions above, I reverted the last edit which deleted two list items in the open source section. I reckon the purpose of this list is to give a quick overview on functional solutions for DES. It does not make sense to state outdated software and to omit newer solutions - as long as they are fully functional and under active development.--Lindos149 (talk) 08:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

This is a list of software with preexisting Wikipedia articles. See WP:WTAF for why this is a good idea. In any case it should not be a list of external links, per WP:ELNO and WP:NOT. - MrOllie (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

That is one opinion. Another one you can see above by Pstaudt-fischbach. It makes sense to consider wiki-lists as a starting point for further research or quick overview on state of the art. If you, however, follow a very strict interpretation of your notions above, you end up with references to simulation software that is no longer maintained and date back to 1967 (Simula). Which is fine for me, so I can spend my time on other topics - just keep Wikipedia a closed shop. Lindos149 (talk) 13:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Lindos149, The purpose of lists like this is as a navigation aid for the encyclopedia. We absolutely do want to include references to important historical works like Simula.

Wikipedia is specifically not supposed to be a link directory or a catalog (again, see WP:NOT), so building a list with the idea of helping people find a current piece of simulation software is off-mission. MrOllie (talk) 13:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)