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Leo Tavelli

Latest comment: 13 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Leo Tavelli, Scotland's oldest man.[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.155.236.201 (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

To be included in this article he would need to have an article of his own and he does not seem notable enough for that. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
You're right, thats the only article about this jack of all trades. 74.226.189.150 (talk) 14:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
All his background includes is working as a racing journalist, film director, band manager and fireman, when the Germans bombed London during the Second World War, he joined the London Fire Brigade and was on hand to tackle blazes during the Blitz. 74.226.189.150 (talk) 14:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Frederica Sagor Maas

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I believe that Frederica Sagor Maas should not be on this list because she reached over the age of 110 which makes her a supercentenarian and not a centenarian Tony (talk) 23:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

No. While the lead of these articles could certainly be improved to reflect this, the intent of these pages is to list people who have reached the age of 100, which Frederica Sagor Maas certainly has. Just because she falls into a sub-classification (all supercentenarians are centenarians too, but not all centenarians are supercentenarians) doesn't mean we should remove her from the list representing the bigger category. Canadian Paul 16:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Mary Carlisle

Latest comment: 10 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Instead of starting an edit war, let's discuss it in here instead. First of all, the video shows that her birthday was due tomorrow. This means that the video was filmed on 2 February 2012. Right? How many months ago was that? Let's see...12+9 = 21. Mary Carlisle may not have been an A-lister when she was young, but she still has enough notability to her credit.

Thus, 21 months without receiving an obituary from any source is very unlikely. Her position as one of the very last performers of the 30s would make her death even more noticable.

And as I said in the edit summary, she was only ONE day away from her 100th birthday. She died right after that video? There's a microscopic chance of that happening.

Wikipedia is not about following rules in a literal way. They are not even rules, they are guidelines. Guidelines is about being flexible and being able to apply the most logical solution for the given situation. Meaning that, in this case, we can deduce that she reached her centennial birthday even if there was no report after 2 February 2012.

I would like to hear some more people's opinions about this.

Thanks. :) OscarLake (talk) 22:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Verifiability is non-negotiable and is policy, not a "guideline". If the source doesn't verify the material, then the material cannot stay. I'm sure you don't need my help in imaging what could go wrong if we just started "making assumptions" about things, as everyone's definition of what a "reasonable" assumption is would vary. Also, just because your assessment leads you to believe someone is famous and would receive an obituary doesn't make it so. For example, Gustav Lantschner won a silver medal at the 1936 Winter Olympics, acted in films, reached the age of 100, and his death went unnoticed for almost a year. Canadian Paul 23:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Gustav Lantschner was probably a very private person in the same way as Mike Road was. Mary appearing in a video right before her 100th birthday shows that she's the opposite of that.

Anyways, what about this picture? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=521480114596581&set=a.342638605814067.77627.336939933050601&type=1&theater

Or this one? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=471956536215606&set=a.342638605814067.77627.336939933050601&type=1&theater

These pictures show that she is very much alive today. OscarLake (talk) 13:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Facebook is not a reliable source. I really don't understand what the big deal is for waiting for a reliable source. If she truly is alive, then eventually a reliable source will surface, even if it is with her death, at which point she will be on this list until the end of time. Since Wikipedia has no deadline, there is really no reason to add her until we have a source that satisfies Wikipedia's requirements for getting the facts correct. In consideration of compromise and the Facebook sources, however, I will move her to "Aged 100+ without reliable sources"; I think that everyone gets a little of what they want that way. Canadian Paul 18:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Don Lusk

Latest comment: 10 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Disney animator Don Lusk turned 100 recently. He was involved with classics such as Pinocchio, Bambi, Fantasia among others. Since he doesn't have a Wikipedia article, I tried to create one for him. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find much reliable sources. There is this one source, though, a blog called Cartoon Brew. It contains good biographical information about him and his life. Cartoon Brew is described as "the largest animation entertainment blog on the Internet, presenting news about animated films, cartoons and CGI technology."

Don Lusk's 100th birthday pictures can be viewed there.

Now, this site links to another blog, called The Animation Guild blog (TAG). TAG contains an audio interview with Don Lusk, which can be heard here: http://interview.files.s3-website-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/TAGInterview_DonLusk-1.mp3

So my question is, would these references, in combination with IMDb, be enough for him to get his own article? Are there exceptions to the "no blogs as sources" rule?

His extensive work seems enough to merit his own article and I'm sure there are reliable written sources that can't be retrieved online. Does anyone have any books or newspapers laying around that could be used as reliable sources?

http://animationguildblog.blogspot.se/2013/10/the-don-lusk-birthday-interview-part-i.html

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/animators/happy-birthday-disney-animator-don-lusk-turns-100-today-90317.html

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0527206/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Btw, sorry if this is the wrong place to discuss this. Comments are welcome. OscarLake (talk) 01:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

IMDB won't count towards notability; it shouldn't even be used a source if at all possible. As a rule, blogs are not considered reliable sources, but there certainly are exceptions. The best place to take this question would be the reliable sources noticeboard. They should be able to provide a pretty definitive conclusion/consensus that you can refer back to should the issue arise. And even though consensus can change, you may also want to search the archives to see if these particular blogs have been discussed before. Canadian Paul 23:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Why did you bother to ask if you were just going to create the article anyways? In any case, I'm not 100% convinced on these sources, so I'll bring them to the RSN myself. Canadian Paul 23:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Discussion here. I am happy with whatever consensus dictates. Canadian Paul 00:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Martin Magner

Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I'm putting a reference for him here: an IP has tried to add him but he has no article. He appears to be notable: LA Times obit. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

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Vera Lynn

Latest comment: 6 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Vera Lynn turned 100 recently. She is one of only seven people mentioned on the Centenarian page so it is odd that she is not included in the list here. I added her but the entry was removed for needing a citation. I was going to add one later (it was reported extensively in UK media) but I can't be bothered now. Just wanted to mention that there are eleven other entries needing citations so perhaps someone should remove those by the same standard. Weburbia (talk) 18:46, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

For the record I have been told that Vera Lynn is on the page for centenarian musicians. I suppose it could be debated whether this is a better place or if she should be on both, but so long as she is included somewhere it is fine with me. Weburbia (talk) 18:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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Diana Serra Cary

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Diana Serra Cary ("Baby Peggy") should be added to this list. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 10:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

She can be as soon as there is a reliable source stating she has (not will) celebrated her 100th birthday. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 16:43, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
So there was, but sadly she has now died at age 101 yesterday, February 24th. 62.235.138.156 (talk) 15:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Lifespan

Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I separated the single column for "lifespan" into two separate columns (year of birth and year of death). I did this so that the lifespan years in the list would be easier to sort. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:15, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Title change

Latest comment: 4 years ago8 comments4 people in discussion

Could someone, please, correct the title of this article into List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers) (so without the superfluous second comma), as per all the other ones, four in total (i.e.: artists, .../authors, .../educators, ... and musicians, ...)? 62.235.138.156 (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC) P.S.: apparently only a mod(erator)/steward can do this, since for some obscure "reason" it has already been done the other way round, but I'm afraid I can't just have the one with the incorrect title deleted in order to move its content to the one with the correct title as to not lose the page's history, or can I? 62.235.138.156 (talk) 15:38, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I changed the title, to include the "extra" comma. The "extra" comma is not incorrect. It is called a serial comma. And it's appropriate in this title. In fact, I was planning to add the serial comma to all of those other titles, as well (i.e., artists, .../authors, .../educators, ... and musicians,). Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Seems like a pointless change. Its use is disputed and the world doesn't need more comma spam. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Indeed so: why such an extra comma, which may be not incorrect, but it's definitely superfluous, and therefore unnecessary (did you notice I did add a comma before the "and" in this case, because that's an exception: I wanted to separate the word "superfluous" from the word "unnecessary" since they're two separate comments in the same sentence!). 62.235.138.156 (talk) 13:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
As I have noted above, the extra comma is unnecessary, the title should be reverted to its former state. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
+1 -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
+1 62.235.138.156 (talk) 22:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Since nobody bothered to answer my question above I will just go ahead with correcting it! 62.235.138.156 (talk) 12:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Unreliable source

Latest comment: 4 years ago9 comments3 people in discussion

Why is the British newspaper Daily Mail considered an unreliable source I wonder? 62.235.138.156 (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

This RFC confirmed that the Daily Mail should not be considered a reliable source. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 17:42, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, but due to its length I can't seem to find any conclusion on that particular page, and why can't f.e. even obituaries from this newspaper be considered reliable? 62.235.138.156 (talk) 16:24, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
The Daily Mail publishes some atrocious crap. However, that wasn't always so, and there are still uncontroversial articles. In that regard, the mentioned RfC remarked: "non-controversial facts which were reported in the Daily Mail and nowhere else ... as a source in such instances, in addition to being allowed explicitly by the previous RfC, would be covered by WP:IAR in any case." (my emphasis) This remark of the closers seems to have been completely forgotten. One can observe a wide-spread zeal across Wikipedia articles to expunge any citation of the DM, often without alternative replacement. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
You mean like rubbish from The Sun and its famous "Page 4 girls", but it's a pity this now has been generalized, apart from incorrect, as you state! 62.235.138.156 (talk) 18:28, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
@DerbyCountyinNZ: Please, give me your 50 cents over here as well as on your own talkpage! 62.235.138.156 (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Therefore also concerning the item listed above (i.e. the one about the title change). 62.235.138.156 (talk) 18:43, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
The issue of reliable sources is an ongoing issue with longevity related articles. Though these centenarian lists are less problematic than most such articles, one of the essential criteria for inclusion is that the person is reliably sourced to have reached 100. The section of RFC quoted above re "non-controversial facts" applies here. The issue of reliability for someone being alive and/or having celebrated their 100th birthday IS controversial if the Daily Mail is the only source for this information. A notable person, or even a WP:Notable person, would be expected to have reports in multiple publications, certainly for their death, and probably for their 100th birthday. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
So as I understand it if it's not the only source it shouldn't be forbidden to use it as a reference, right? 62.235.138.156 (talk) 22:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Helen Shingler

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Why is she not listed here? She was a British actress who lived from 29 August 1919 till 8 October 2019 and has her own Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miloradovan (talk • contribs) 22:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed so: thanks, I added her to the list! 62.235.138.156 (talk) 01:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@Miloradovan: Could you, please, answer the follow-up question asked at Talk:List_of_long_marriages#Longest_Croatian_married_couple? 62.235.138.156 (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Diana Maggi

Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

There are many news of her 100th birthday in newspapers, twitter and other social platforms. There are non in English language. https://www.cba24n.com.ar/espectaculos/10-de-junio-en-el-arte--la-ciencia--la-sociedad---el-show-y-el-deporte_a5ee000eabe583c055dd3fc7f — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.175.4 (talk) 10:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Social media reports are not reliable sources. The source above is from 2 years and is insufficient evidence that she was alive on her 100th birthday. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
And other social media reports are indicating she is only 95. Crisso (talk) 04:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Else Blangsted

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Else Blangsted nee Siegel died 2020 almost 100 years of age.--Bornsommer (talk) 15:47, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Don Marion Davis

Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Is there any reason he has not been added? If not I will gladly add him: https://www.kold.com/2019/05/04/pima-council-aging-tmc-host-salute-centenarians/. Crisso (talk) 21:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

No reason I can think of to not include him. The above link seems entirely appropriate. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  Done. Crisso (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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