Talk:List of best-selling Latin singles in the United States

Problem with the list

@Brankestein: Brankestein, I appreciate you making the list, and to tell you the truth, I was going to make the list myself a year later (except it would've been called List of best selling Latin digital singles in the United States). But there are a few problem with some of the additions on the list: The opening sentence mentions that the RIAA and Billboard defines a Latin song as 51% or more content, yet the list includes English-language songs such as "I Know You Want Me" by Pitbull. Not only that, but the certifications for "Livin' la Vida Loca" and "Bailando" combines both the English version and Spanish version. Is this a list of best selling Latin singles or a best list of singles by Latin artists? The certification for Rompe is for the ringtone, not the standard certification. Honestly, from my prospective, I would rename this article "List of best selling Latin digital singles in the United States" and only list singles that have at least a Diamante award from the RIAA. All I'm asking is you please clarify additions of some singles as it contradicts what the RIAA and Billboard says. EDIT: @Brankestein: Tell you what, would you be okay if I did some major changes to the list? Erick (talk) 12:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits. This is a list of best-selling Latin singles. I was wondering if "Livin' La Vida Loca" and "I Know You Want Me" should have been on the list but I left them anyway because of their high chart peak on Hot Latin Songs. I think that "Bailando" should remain on the list because the Spanish version was a lot more successful than the English version and maybe we can clarify those entries by stating that both versions were counted for the certification ("Bailando" and "Livin' La Vida Loca"), the same for the ringtone certification for "Rompe". EDIT: I think "Bailando" should appear on the list anyway, the English version is more of a Spanglish version. Brankestein (talk) 23:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Brankenstein, I just saw that "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" by Pitbull did rank on the Latin digital songs, which means it had enough verses in Spanish for Billboard to consider it "Latin". I guess it should be re-added, my bad what I said earlier! Erick (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: What do you think about the table so far? I clarified the English/Spanish versions and also added the remix of "Despacito" because it enhanced the song's sales (the remix represents around 70% of the overall digital sales of "Despacito"). Brankestein (talk) 03:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it's fine except for the English version of Bailando, because it did not rank on the Latin Digital Songs or on the Hot Latin Songs. Erick (talk) 04:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm simply clarifying that both versions were counted for sales information, no matter if they didn't rank on Latin charts. Brankestein (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Well to be honest, this is why I suggested to only find sales for the Spanish version. This article from Billboard even mentions that the English version wasn't counted on the Latin digital sales. I would put something like "sales from the Spanish version only". Or if they have to be mentioned, I would put in the prose instead, for example: "While both versions of Bailando sold over x amount of sales, only the Spanish version is counted by Billboard" or something like that. The main problem with including the sales of the English versions of the song in the list is that it contradicts what the very first sentence in the article says which only confuse readers. EDIT: In fact, I would mention all the songs that has both versions listed on the prose instead. "Both versions of Bailando, Hips Don't, etc. have sold over x in total". Including sales of the English versions on list defeats the purpose of it (as well as the whole article), because ultimately it was their decision to only count Spanish songs as "Latin". I'm only saying this from a reader's perspective. Erick (talk) 04:47, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Then I'm going to maintain "Bailando" on the list. Should I remove "Hips Don't Lie", "Waka Waka" and "Livin' La Vida" from the list and include them on prose stating what you wrote? It's difficult to find Spanish version's sales only, Billboard uses to include all versions of a song for a single certification or overall sales. Brankestein (talk) 16:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

If "Harlem Shake" contains more than 51% Spanish lyrics (according to the lyrics by Google Play where the refrain is used three times while the title is only used twice), why not include it on this list? – jona ✉ 01:19, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Did it rank on the Latin Digital Songs chart? EDIT: Nope it did not, nor it did rank on the Hot Latin Songs either, which means not enough verses were in Spanish to be considered to be "Latin". Honestly, we ought to be cautious and not fall into original research territory. Erick (talk) 01:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I didn't know that had to be a requirement, maybe adding that in the lead that said song has to have charted on the Latin Digital Songs Sales chart to be considered a best-seller will be added. – jona ✉ 02:08, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

It was something I was going to do, like I did on the talk page for the best selling Latin albums chart. Just hadn't got the chance to do so. One thing I was going to add before getting a ec myself is that I don't see Billboard, RIAA, or other any organization (not even ASCAP and BMI) calling it "Latin". I'll add the qualifications on the talk page when I get chance. Erick (talk) 02:11, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Excluding mastertones

I have removed mastertone certifications for the several reasons: 1) Past discussions regarding the usage of ringtones have been discouraged (see this discussion and this discussion. 2) Ringtones only play certain parts of the song and ringtone charts are excluded as well. 3) They aren't included on List of best-selling singles in the United States so it doesn't make sense to put it here either. Erick (talk) 11:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

My apologies. I didn't know that. Brankestein (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Latin songs on the list

@Magiciandude: I just found a Billboard article about the best selling Latin music in 2016, and it lists "Bailando" by Enrique Iglesias and even "Hips Don't Lie" by Shakira. Should we add those songs? Take a look: What Happened in Latin Music In 2016? Consumption Up, Market Divided. Brankestein (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Brankestein: I have an idea. Why don't we list the top selling Latin digital by year like here? I also think that 600,000 units should be the minimum threshold for inclusion on the list because that's when the RIAA hands out Diamante certification for 10x platinum. I mean, we need at least need a minimum and 600,000 units I don't think is unreasonable. I'm going to ask another user for his input. EDIT: To answer your question, I say yes, but also mention that it's only counting the Spanish version for both songs. Erick (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree about the minimun threshold and the list of selling Latin digital songs by year, but I'm afraid there isn't enough information about that. I mean, Billboard only published one best selling list (2016). Previous years' top lists are pretty much non-existent. According to this article 2010's Latin Music Sales Down 26.8%, Digital Up 28%, Enrique Igelsias Is Top-Selling Artist, the best-selling Latin song of 2010 was "Waka Waka" by Shakira (another Latin song in English that was way more succesful in the American mainstream market). This article Latin Sales Down Slightly In 2011, Digital Latin Sales Up states that "Danza Kuduro" by Don Omar was the top selling Latin song of 2011, but its sales weren't published. I'm going to add the list anyway, maybe there's information about other years too that I didn't found. Brankestein (talk) 18:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Right so, on Billboard, the year-end chart goes only to 2013 while I found it goes back to [0=itm_field_chart_id%3A1128&f[1]=ss_bb_type%3Achart&type=4 2010]. So the good news, we know the top selling Latin digital of each year since this decade began. Of course, as you say, the problem is we need to find the sales from Billboard/Nielsen. But I think you can manage it. Erick (talk) 19:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Erick, the US list looks more appealing and if we have the sources for both physical and digital sales for Latin singles that qualify to be on this list then it would be nice to see how the US list could be incorporated into this list. Also, are you guys only accepting Billboard/Nielsen sources? – jona ✉ 21:29, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

It wouldn't have much sense to separate physical and digital sales because most Latin singles were certified for digital sales (except "Macarena"). I usually focus on Billboard/Nielsen, but I accept any reliable source. Brankestein (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Well personally I wouldn't trust sales figures from record labels because they tend to inflate sales, but that goes without saying. I don't know of any other reliable organizations that's known to provide accurate sales of records. So I wouldn't what else to use besides Billboard since they get their sales info from Nielsen. EDIT: To clarify, I'm not against using other reliable sources per se, but I believe it's important to know where the source is getting their sales from. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm against using sales information from record labels because they over exaggerate the actual amount of sales. Erick (talk) 21:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Sales source

@Magiciandude: Is Yahoo! a reliable source? Since there isn't information about 2012 Latin songs sales from Billboard, I found a Yahoo! article about the top selling songs of that year (Chart Watch Extra: Top Songs of 2012). According to this, "Danza Kuduro" was the best-selling Latin song with 542,000 digital sales. Should I add it? Brankestein (talk) 22:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

For music blogs like Yahoo, the reliability of the source depends on the author. I've looked at past discussions regarding Grein, and it seems he's reliable because he used to work for Billboard and Rolling Stone. When in doubt, check out WP MUSIC, WP:ALBUMS, WP:SONGS, or WP:CHARTS and see if there's any past discussion. You may also ask any question on any of these Wikipedia pages. EDIT: Also just wanted if you had seen my last comment about "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)". Apparently it ranked on the Latin digital songs which means Billboard determined that it had enough verses in Spanish to be considered "Latin". Erick (talk) 23:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Hips Don't Lie also ranks on the Latin Digital Song Sales chart as well, but I had this discussion with Erick before about it even charting on the list since no one really even purchases the Spanish version of it - I didn't even know there was a Spanish version of that song - on top of that the Spanish version is not even available for digital purchase, but that's for a different thread. If you guys are going to stick with Nielsen then it might be beneficial to include that in the lead similar to how other best-seller lists has done before the page gets constant vandalism. – jona ✉ 12:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Well considering it still gets downloads somehow, I'd say there are people are still buying the Spanish version. Just to make sure, I looked up Shakira, Pitbull, and Enrique Iglesias's songs that ranked on the Latin Digital Songs to see if Billboard allowed any English-only songs and I found none. At this point, someone needs to ask Billboard where Spanish versions sales are coming from. I still highly doubt they've factored the English versions. Erick (talk) 13:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I searched for it on iTunes and couldn't find a Spanish version, but that's for another thread and topic. Also, this just occurred to me but I wonder if lists on Billboard include b-side tracks billed together for a certification or excludes them with no mention? – jona ✉ 15:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

That's a good question. I don't know, but since most Latin singles certifications are based on digital sales (plus streaming-equivalent units) I think that the RIAA excludes B-side tracks. Brankestein (talk) 16:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@AJona1992: I knew there was a Spanish version of "Hips Don't Lie" but I really believe that the original English version represents a great percentage as to sales. Anyway, I included the song on the "English-language songs by Latin artists with Spanish versions" sub-section because the Spanish version's sales are impossible to calculate. Brankestein (talk) 04:28, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

My main concern (and this could be explained from Billboard themselves) is I searched Amazon, Google Play, and iTunes (the three big players who influence the digital charts) for this "Spanish version" and came up empty, how is it that "Hips Don't Lie" can chart so successfully for seven years on the Latin Digital Song Sales chart? The Spanish version seems to be only available on the physical copy issued before the magazine began monitoring digital purchases. Since Erick (discussion above) believes the list should follow the criteria that it should chart on the Latin Digital Song Sales chart and be named "Latin" by music publishers, this makes the list more commercial than logical: a) Nielsen reports on a Spanish version of "Hips Don't Lie" that is only available for physical purchase and not widely available in markets the company monitors and b) dismiss the fact that "Harlem Shake" (which contains roughly 75% Spanish lyrics) out of the list because said magazine and publishers did not call it "Latin". I have nothing against what is agreed upon, I just want to make this a bit clear that the list includes an English song ("Hips Don't Lie"; until further sources explain how the Spanish version is tabulated) and dismissed a Spanish one ("Harlem Shake") from the list. I know the only way I, or we, can get an explanation for this is from Billboard/Nielsen themselves, so I'm sending this lengthy message to them and hopefully can shine a light on what is considered, how it is tabulated, on what percentage, from which sources, for any given song that charts on the Latin Digital Song Sales chart. – jona ✉ 12:28, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

OK, now I think we're heading to original research territory. Even if you don't find the Spanish version of "Hips Don't Lie" any of those sites, it does not mean that it's not available on other sites or it was never on sale on those sites (record labels don't always keep their singles online). I want to don't come off as harsh, but we do not have evidence that Billboard is counting the English version of the song, because if you read "how it works", it says that it tracks the top downloaded Spanish song of the week. For now, we have to take their word for it because it is Nielsen who is doing the sales, even if there are disparities. We can't dictate how the music industry should or not count a song "Latin", so it's all up to them. As a small side note, I know you weren't aware the Spanish version didn't exist until now, but it was played on my local Spanish language radio station a lot when it was popular. Not that it changes anything, but I just wanted to point that out. As for "Harlem Shake", I'm guessing that they don't count the sampled verses since "con los terroristas" is taken directly by Hector El Father's vocals from one of his songs, but that's all I can speculate. Erick (talk) 12:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

You're talking about airplay back in 2005, how is that tabulated in the digital song sales list today? I understand that there is a Spanish version of "Hips Don't Lie", but the only available version of that song in the markets Nielsen reports on are only the English version. It's not orish to ask the question how on Earth can that be if the publication insist that only Spanish-language tracks are the only songs allowed on the Latin digital charts. Just saying "well if Billboard allows it to chart on the list, then it must be so" when there has been a few instances where a charting single or album appear on a list by accident to only be corrected the following week - if it caught their attention (there are a few examples in the archives in Billboard magazine where they explain a charting error). I am only bringing this up because I don't understand how the song is even allowed to chart when the Spanish version is nowhere to be found for digital purchase. – jona ✉ 13:16, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

"Bailamos" by Enrique Iglesias

@Magiciandude: @AJona1992: Should we add "Bailamos" by Enrique Iglesias on the list? I don't think it contains 51% Spanish lyrics (maybe a little less) (Bailamos Lyrics), but it ranked on the US Latin Digital Songs for 114 weeks, even after Billboard updated the chart's methodology by excluding primarily English-language songs. Brankestein (talk) 18:06, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Billboard never allowed English-language songs to appear on the Latin Digital Songs chart (even before the Hot Latin Songs methodology changed), so if it ranks on the Latin Digital Songs chart, I say yes. Erick (talk) 18:41, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Let's agree to disagree on that one Erick "Hips Don't Lie" is an English song that currently charts on the Latin Digital charts. But if the consensus is that the song has to chart on the Latin digital chart then why not I'm all for it. – jona ✉ 20:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

English-language songs on the Latin Digital chart

@Magiciandude: @AJona1992: Well... I don't know which songs should be on the list and which not. I decided to take a look on the year-end charts of Latin Digital Songs and I found the following primarily or completely English-language tracks.

Latin Digital Songs Year-end charts

2013: Latin Digital Songs - Year-end charts 2013

2014: Latin Digital Songs - Year-end chart 2014

2015: Latin Digital Songs - Year-end chart 2015

2016: Latin Digital Songs - Year-end chart 2016

• "Hips Don't Lie" by Shakira featuring Wyclef Jean
• "Stand by Me" by Prince Royce
• "Waka Waka (This Time for Africa)" by Shakira featuring Freshlyground — In 2013, the song ranked as "Waka Waka (Esto Es Africa)" but it ranks as "Waka Waka (This Time for Africa)" since 2014.
• "Conga" by Miami Sound Machine — completely sung in English
• "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" by Pitbull — I believe it is mostly sung in English.

This is getting me really confused. What should we do? I mean, according to Billboard the Latin Digital Songs chart is composed only by primarily Spanish-language songs, but on the year-end chart of 2016 the song "Conga", which is completely sung in English, ranked at No. 43. The same for "Stand by Me" and "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)". I really think those songs are mostly sung in English. Brankestein (talk) 21:31, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Dammit, this is exactly the main reason why I hate how the music industry defines "Latin music", they are never so consistent with how they define! In one of their articles, they said that "I Like It" by Enrique Iglesias didn't chart because it was in English, and yet you have a song like Conga that's completely in English @AJona1992: Looks like, I owe you an apology, I was wrong and you were right. I didn't think Billboard/Nielsen could be so..complicated. Argh... (BTW, Stand by Me by Prince Royce is actually sung in Spanglish). I honestly don't know what to do either. Erick (talk) 22:40, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: I added a sub-section titled "Primarily English-language performances on Spanglish songs" in order to include "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" by Pitbull and "Bailamos" by Enrique Iglesias. Feel free to edit the prose as you want, my English isn't very good. Brankestein (talk) 23:43, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

No need to Erick, I didn't know those charted as well and had my sights on "Hips Don't Lie" after investigating that the Spanish version is not available in the digital markets Nielsen reports on. So now the question is what do we do with this new information, how are we going to include the best-selling Latin songs if both parties are inconsistent with the definition of Latin music? Should we just come up with a consensus that the song must have at least 51% bare minimum of its lyrics in Spanish or stick to what Erick proposed above that it must rank on the Latin Digital Song Sales chart but include that it at least must have 51% of its lyrics in Spanish? Also are you guys allowing Portuguese and other Spanish dialects in this list or only Spanish? I am bringing the language barrier up because "Ai Se Eu Te Pego" (Pitbull's remix) sold 116,000 digital units in the United States by March 2012. I know it's short of the 600,000 threshold, but it should be noted if the list is inclusive or exclusive to non-Spanish-language songs. – jona ✉ 14:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm allowing Portuguese-language songs but no one surpassed 600,000 sales. The table should include only Latin songs with more than 51% Spanish or Portuguese lyrics, no matter if they ranked on the Latin Digital Songs chart. English-language songs with Spanish versions and Spanglish songs primarily sung in English were included on two sub-sections. Spanish versions can be included on the table only if its separate sales are reported by Billboard or Nielsen (or any reliable author). Brankestein (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, currently the article's lead excludes them and doesn't specify that it does not need to appear on the Latin digital chart. Also, do we really need information on the Latin Pop Songs, Regional Mexican Songs, and Latin Rhythm Airplay if you don't even use any in the tables listed below the lead? What useful information does it convey readers of the best-selling Latin singles? – jona ✉ 11:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Well it was me who added who added the subgenres and it was done just for historical context since the Hot Latin Tracks calculates from those charts as well. That said, I'm indifferent as to whether should stay on the lead or not. Anyways, I wish we could include Portuguese-language and even use the Latin Recording Academy's definition of Latin music because their definition of Latin music is hands down the best one. But LARAS doesn't track sales and here in America only, the music industry only cares about Spanish-language which sucks honestly. Since the opening lead mentions two organizations (preferably the RIAA at this point in my opinion) that are the ones tracking sales, we have to use them even if we have problems with it lest we go against original research. The best selling Latin albums in the US was easier to make for me because the inconsistencies weren't there like here. Erick (talk) 11:55, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I think. If the song is performing by a Latin Singer, enter in the Latin and US Charts (and peak at number one or in the Top 10), this would be at the list, Don't bother if the song is in Spanish or English. They would be at the listElmisterioso1979 (talk) 16:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Billboard and the RIAA refers to Latin songs as Spanish-language songs. Brankestein (talk) 17:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Best-selling Latin digital song of 2010

@Magiciandude: Since Billboard is inconsistent with the definition of Latin music, I don't know what to do with the best selling Latin single of 2010. According to Billboard (2010's Latin Music Sales Down 26.8%, Digital Up 28%, Enrique Igelsias Is Top-Selling Artist), it was "Waka Waka (This Time for Africa)". Since Nielsen provides overall sales counting both English and Spanish versions, I don't know how much did "Waka Waka (Esto Es Africa)" sale. The same happens with the second best-selling Latin song of 2010, "Loca" by Shakira, which sold 255,000 digital copies. Unluckily for us, that song also has an English version... Brankestein (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

"Necio" by Romeo Santos featuring Carlos Santana

@Magiciandude: @AJona1992: I have a problem with the certification of the song "Necio" by Romeo Santos featuring Carlos Santana. If you click on Advanced search and type "Romeo Santos" in the Artist field and select Single in the Format field, the song "Necio" has a digital certification denoting 3,000,000 sales (Romeo Santos: Singles certifications). The problem is that if you select Latin in the Type field, the song will appear as having received a Latin certification for 180,000 sales (Romeo Santos: Latin Singles certifications). I think "Necio" wasn't even released as a single and it ranked #31 on the US Hot Latin Songs chart. I mean, it doesn't seem to have been a three-million-sales song. Maybe this is a mistake by the RIAA? Brankestein (talk) 03:26, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't surprise if it was a mistake. They still haven't fixed the correct shipment figures for Latin albums certified before December 2013 (they are use the current thresholds instead). BTW, there's no need to ping me all the time, I have this page on my watchlist. Erick (talk) 03:34, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Renaming the page

@Magiciandude: Hey! I was wondering if it's okay to rename the page to "List of best-performing Latin singles in the United States" since almost the entire table (except "Macarena") is based on sales plus track-equivalent streams, so it isn't completely about sales. Nowadays I believe that the Latin market in the US is based mostly on streaming figures rather than digital sales, except "Despacito". For example, "Chantaje" by Shakira was certified for 960,000 units in May, but the single sold "only" 101,000 downloads as of June. Brankestein (talk) 01:32, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

@Brankestein: In fact, I was thinking the same thing. Except we would use Billboard's Greatest Hot Latin Songs of All Time chart because those are the best performing songs of all-time in the US according to them. We could also display the RIAA certifications (if any) on the right side as well. See List of best-selling albums in the United Kingdom which is where I got the influence to make the best-selling Latin albums from. EDIT: Also, the RIAA updated the certification for "Bailando" to mention that it is only counting the version with Sean Paul, which Billboard did not include on their Hot Latin Songs. I will make a quick list to show you what I have in mind. Erick (talk) 03:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

@Brankestein: Here's a rough draft of me using the top ten as an example of how the list could look. It would of course include all songs on Billboard's Greatest of all time. Erick (talk) 04:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Well... I would like to maintain the list as it is now. I mean, the Greatest Hot Latin Songs of All Time list also counts airplay and it's purely based on the songs' performance on the chart. My only suggestion was renaming the page to "best-performing" instead of "best-selling" because the certifications nowadays are sales+streams. Also, about the certification for "Bailando", I don't know what to think really. The single received a 3× platinum certification stating "Enrique Iglesias" in the artist(s) field, insinuating that the award is for both spanish and spanglish versions, but now it also credits Sean Paul. I know it was the spanglish version which peaked at number 12 on the Hot 100, but it was the original spanish version which has more than 2 billion views on YouTube. The same happens with "Despacito", the certification only credits Luis Fonsi because both original and remix versions were commercially successful. EDIT: What I meant about "performance" wasn't centered on Hot Latin Songs. "Danza Kuduro" had a better performance than "Ginza" but it ranks #19 while Balvin's song ranks #15 despite having a certification denoting 4,4 million sales+streams less than "Danza Kuduro". Sorry if I'm bad at explaining. Brankestein (talk) 12:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Then I guess it should be renamed to "List of best performing/selling Latin digital singles", because that's what the current list would only consist of. "List of best performing Latin songs" would also have to include airplay anyways since there's no metric measure that existed before the 2000s and Billboard's is the only one and I don't see why we would have to exclude airplay. On top of that, if we use Billboard's list, I think we could actually turn this into a potential FL. I have plenty of ideas of how it could work. Pinging @AJona1992: for his input. Jaespinoza made Billboard Top Latin Songs Year-End Chart a featured which is why I believe we could do the same here. Erick (talk) 13:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Then the page should keep being titled "best-selling" since my focus on the list is to show sales only (in this case, sales plus track-equivalent streams). I believe "best-selling" and "best-performing" are different things and should be different pages since "best-performing" is strictly about the Hot Latin Songs chart. Maybe there could be a top 50 best-performing Latin singles list using that Billboard ranking, but I want to keep this page this way. EDIT: This is not that relevant, but I wanted to clarify that it's odd that the RIAA credits Sean Paul's version of "Bailando" since it was the original spanish version without him which peaked at number 12 on the Hot 100. Brankestein (talk) 13:59, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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Hot 100

Hello, I think that we can add the position that the majority of the songs peak at the Billboard US Hot 100 Elmisterioso1979 (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Genres

We can put the genres of the songs there. Because the latin music have a great variety of elementsElmisterioso1979 (talk) 03:25, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I think there is enough information, adding another column would be too much. Also, the List of best-selling singles in the United States doesn't have any genres column. Brankestein (talk) 15:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I think this list and prose should be more like that article than best-selling Latin albums because it's unlikely we're ever going to an actual best-selling Latin singles anytime soon from Billboard. I think only the RIAA should be the focus in the meantime. Erick (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of Portuguese-language music

@Brankestein: So Leila Cobo of Billboard replied to an e-mail that I sent her and this is what she said: "But, as long as the language is more than 50% SPanish or Portuguese the origin does not matter in terms of our charts". Not only that, but to quote this article from Billboard regarding Rosalía: "(Note: we are considering Rosalía an artist who falls into the “Latin” category because she performs in Spanish or Portuguese)." Just something I thought I'd share with you for this list. All the best! Erick (talk) 03:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm aware of that nonsense about some people not considering Rosalía a Latin artist because of being Spanish. Enrique Iglesias is Spanish and nobody questioned if he is Latin or not (which he is). There can be Portuguese-language songs on this list but I think the RIAA didn't certify any. Brankestein (talk) 04:03, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Brankestein: I know right? Where were these people when Rocío Dúrcal, Rocío Jurado, Natalía Jiménez, and Miguel Bosé were dominating the Latin music scene as well? Anyways, the biggest Portuguese-language songs that I only know of are "Lambada" and "Ai se te pego!", neither were RIAA certified. I do wonder if Nielsen has sales figures these songs though. EDIT: Lambada has sold [2 million https://books.google.com/books?id=ScqFpB4lJg4C&pg=RA11-PA12&lpg=RA11-PA12&dq=kaoma+lambada+nielsen&source=bl&ots=O8rga4yxmm&sig=ACfU3U1wHOWwgI3S-EaE_lhlCgBp8iBDdw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrsJyE3czmAhWLUt8KHYs_AkkQ6AEwGHoECA8QAQ#v=onepage&q=kaoma%20lambada%20nielsen&f=false] according to Nielsen SoundScan. EDIT 2: Nvm, that's "On the Floor", not "Lambada", my bad. :( Erick (talk) 21:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Should we add "Frijolitos Pintos"?

@Magiciandude: after writing Linda Escobar's article, I've found two different sources, one by scholar Alejandro L. Madrid and the other from the Corpus Christi Caller-Times, both stating that Escobar's 1965 single "Frijolitos Pintos" sold a million copies. However, given that Nielsen SoundScan began reporting sales in 1991, I am curious to know what the criteria or standards are for adding singles to this list that were released prior to 1991? – jona ✉ 21:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a stake on this article, I would ask Brankestein since he created this list. I'm more inclined to do a world's best-selling Latin music singles list but only with digital sales. Erick (talk) 15:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for replying, I'll ping @Brankestein: for his input. Best – jona ✉ 20:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)