Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters/Archive 3

Previous discussions

• Talk:List of animated television programs with LGBT characters
• Talk:List of LGBT characters in animation and graphic art

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Suggested additions

Some suggested additions to be verified and added if they are OK (or let me know if there's any mistake in the list):

• Richie (gay) from Static Shock
• Nuriko (gay or trans girl) from Fushigi Yûgi
• Giselle from Bleach (manga) (trans girl according to her the Bleach Wikia page)
• Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy (comic and/or DCAU, apparently)

Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I have another one: Tooru Mutsuki from Tokyo Ghoul:re (trans male) Raymond1922 (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Here's my suggestion: Lucy heartfillia from Fairy Tail (Bisexual) 'Shadow6461 (talk) 00:47, 5 February 2018 (UTC)'

I'm only familiar with the western stuff, but I think Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn would be better additions for the List of graphic art works with LGBT characters. There's nothing to suggest they are LGBT in the DCAU, although they are explicitly bisexual in the comics universe (specific comics would be Harley Quinn's solo series, Injustice comics, DC bombshells). Bennv3771 (talk) 04:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

On a related note, Hanji Zoe is only genderqueer in the manga of Attack on Titan,as the column itself states. "Shadow6461 (talk) 03:26, 10 February 2018 (UTC)"

Here's my suggestion: Meg Griffin from Family Guy (Lesbian) or (Bisexual, at least) In the new season of the show, the creators say that at one point, she's going to come out as a lesbian in an episode, with inspiration to that episode where she joins the Lesbian Alliance Club with Sarah (another Lesbian character) in a past episode. M.Daniel (talk) 22:08, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I believe that Shinji Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion can safely be added to the list, as he's shown in the series to be attracted to both men and women Door-keeper (talk) 22:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure you do. However, there are no reliable sources for his inclusion outside of fan screeching. --Tarage (talk) 17:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Hasta from Nyaruko: Crawling with Love and Akito Wanijima from Air Gear both have obvious crushes on the male main character, Yasuyoshi "Aeon Clock" Sano from the latter is gay, and Cuuko and Cuune from the former are lesbians. Tamama has strong feelings for Keroro in Sgt. Frog, and Kaze to Ki no Uta also had a 1987 OVA. Lily Hoshikawa from Zombie Land Saga is a trans girl. There's also General Blue from Dragon Ball, though he's far from a positive portrayal. Raymond1922 (talk) 07:49, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Saphron Cotta-Arc and Terra Cotta-Arc from RWBY Volume 6 Episode 7 are confirmed in the show that they are married (unknown if either of them are lesbian or bisexual). They have also adopted a son called Adrian. Anon User 18:34, 29th March 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.241.165 (talk) 18:34, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Joanca from Dirty Pair

One-off characters

Alright @Daniel Carrero: let's hash this out.

My concern with the inclusion of one-off characters like this is that the list is going to be flooded. Lists should be useful. This is an encyclopedia after all. I should have been paying more attention I guess if there are so many one-off inclusions.

How about this: If the character is used for more than just a one-off joke, and are important to the plot as a whole, they can be included. The reason I don't like the two Peanut's character's inclusions is because they are only used to set up a "lol lesbians" joke and are never heard from again. Perhaps it they showed up later on, or were original characters. Quagmire's father is an example of the latter. A character used specifically for a joke is no different than scenery. --Tarage (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Let's see. I've been thinking it's a good idea to keep the one-off characters in this list, partially because our lists of characters from specific shows usually seem to mention them somehow. Granted, List of Family Guy characters does NOT mention Peppermint Patty and Marcie. But on the other hand, we do have List of one-time The Simpsons characters.

The list is not flooded yet with one-off characters. There are some, but not many. A separate issue is that a number of characters here are never said to be gay in the actual animated works but their creators said that the characters are gay nonetheless. I suppose they still count, right? If the list does get too large in the future specifically because of one-off characters, one possible solution would be keeping the one-off ones in a separate section or list, like List of one-off LGBT characters in animation (without "graphic art" because if the list gets so large, it might not make sense to lump together animation and graphic art anymore).

We could also consider this separate project: creating a list of animated works that are heavily LGBT-centered. This would exclude most of the items in this list. Some LGBT characters listed here are important in their own stories, but their LGBTness does not seem to affect the stories very much. (as in, the stories don't closely show LGBT relationships or talk about gender issues, like some webcomics do)

LGBT characters in animation are relatively rare. We're probably never going to have an article called List of straight characters, as I don't think the Wikimedia servers have enough space on their hard disks for that one. (Naturally, I'm just talking about characters that are verifiably straight. I'm not making the mistake of assuming that all characters are straight by default because of heteronormativity, but I digress.) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:37, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Again, I have nothing against listing characters if they actually matter to the story. Now I have not investigated each one individually, but I would take a guess that the listed Simpsons one-off characters were actually an integral part of the story for that episode. Am I right? Making a list of one-off LGBT characters again fails to play to the purpose of this encyclopedia: to be encyclopedic. I agreed with your merging of the lists because it made it easier to find information. Creating a separate list runs counter to that. And again, at the base of this are the characters themselves. Is it really a good idea to list two LGBT characters that were used for a crass, arguably anti LGBT, joke? I'm putting up a fight on these two characters being included for a reason, not just because. Ask yourself, do you really think these two warrant inclusion on such an important list? --Tarage (talk) 18:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tarage: Alright. I removed Family Guy's Patty/Marcie couple from the list. (diff) For the record, the description text about that lesbian couple was: "In the episode 'Stuck Together, Torn Apart', adult versions of Peppermint Patty and Marcie from Peanuts appear. It is shown that Patty and Peter Griffin once dated, and now she is in a relationship with Marcie." --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:40, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

I have nothing against the description. It's probably the most... civil way it could be put. My objections are inclusions of one-off joke characters, especially those used to mock the very thing the list is trying to document. --Tarage (talk) 23:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tarage: About arguably negative portrayals of LGBT people: In case you are interested, I added the 1994 Brazilian movie Rocky & Hudson in the list. The villain (a mad scientist) uses a lot of homophobic slurs against the gay protagonists of the movie.

Off-topic: If/when the current page gets too large for one reason or another, I still think it may be nice to split it into for example, an animation page and a graphic arts page. When I merged this and this into a single page, it was partially because the contents of both pages were largely the same. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:01, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I should have been more specific. Constituting a negative portrayal AND being a one-off. IE if they're only on screen for under a minute and just used as a "lol gay" joke, they shouldn't be included. --Tarage (talk) 00:35, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tarage: No, I think you made yourself clear when you said "Again, I have nothing against listing characters if they actually matter to the story." I concluded that you probably wouldn't have anything against keeping Rocky & Hudson. I just mentioned it because I felt it might be relevant to the discussion. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:03, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Just making sure. Also, you don't need to ping me each time. I am watching this page so I see your replies. --Tarage (talk) 07:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of animation and graphic art works with LGBT characters

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• From The Simpsons: Groening, Matt (February 14, 2003). "Fresh Air". NPR (Interview). Interviewed by David Bianculli. Philadelphia: WHYY. Retrieved August 8, 2007. {{cite interview}}: Unknown parameter |subjectlink= ignored (|subject-link= suggested) (help)
• From Herbert (Family Guy character): Haque, Ahsan (October 31, 2007). "Family Guy TV Interview - 100th Episode Red Carpet Interviews". IGN. Retrieved 2010-08-18.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)