Talk:List of IMAX films

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This page is somewhat useless as long as it lists DMR and other blowup films. Films with some sequences shot in actual IMAX would be useful (if they're labeled as such,) but there's no reason to list blowups here while there's already a separate list of IMAX DMR films. 72.235.10.142 (talk) 05:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed - there's no point in the duplication of information, and since I just spent some time updating the list of DMR films, I'm going to go ahead and delete the blowups and partial IMAX films from this list. Barry Wom (talk) 08:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Films filmed partially in IMAX should be in an article with films filmed completely in IMAX, or it's own article, not grouped in with the DMR films. It would make sense to create an article with the partial IMAX films instead of just removing that information from this article. 216.249.52.171 (talk) 05:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Exactly! Especially since films like The Dark Knight Rises have more IMAX footage than most IMAX documentaries! I think this article should list all films that include footage shot on 15/70 IMAX negative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.167.158.159 (talk) 17:47, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, so I've gone ahead and created different sections for partially shot/fully shot with IMAX cameras. Barry Wom (talk) 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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"This is a list of films shot in full with IMAX cameras."

Interstellar was not shot in full with IMAX cameras so should not be on this list.

"Nolan’s Interstellar broke the record for IMAX film time last year, when he shot an hour of the finished movie on the hulking cameras."

“Avengers: Infinity War” will be the first movie shot entirely with IMAX cameras

Absent a compelling reason to do otherwise, I will move the link to list of IMAX DMR films. You guys are making me look bad at work over here!!! Netscr1be (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit done /2015/10/06Netscr1be (talk) 18:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Specific Omnimax movies

According to the list, there have been only 2 movies that have been shot in Omnimax format... This can't be right, right? I grew up next to an Omnimax movie theater and remember seeing more. Are some movies missing the tag, or is the list missing movies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JHBonarius (talk • contribs) 08:30, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

The Aeronauts

Aside from the Collider article supplied as reference, I can't find any other confirmation that this was partially filmed with IMAX cameras. It also seems unlikely that IMAX cameras would be used on an Amazon Studios project.

This article has actually been updated to remove a reference to IMAX cameras: "Aug. 12, 3:30 p.m. The story has been updated to remove an earlier reference to the film being designed for Imax and shot with Imax proprietary cameras."

I'm removing it from the list until someone can find a better source.

Barry Wom (talk) 12:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Nope IMAX camera

While the teaser poster for Jordan Peele’s upcoming film, “Nope” has been confirmed to have “select sequences filmed with IMAX cameras”, the poster does not specify which type of cameras were used (70MM vs. Digital). Because of this, it is premature to add it to the “Films shot partially with IMAX 70mm cameras” section of the page. Therefore, absent a source specifically declaring the film’s IMAX camera type, “Nope” should be removed from the section of the list. The only issue with this is determining what should be done with the film after this. While the film cannot be kept in it’s current position, the film is still confirmed to be shot (partially) with IMAX cameras. Therefore, the question is how one should properly show the films scenario when the specific details are unknown. In this case, there are a couple of options available.

1. Add a section talking about films without defined IMAX sources.

2. Add a sentence or two talking about the film’s scenario in the opening paragraphs.

3. Leave the film off the page until it’s camera type is determined.

The title is listed on IMDB as using IMAX film cameras. I realise this isn't the most reliable of sources, so if you think it should be removed from the list (or better still, commented out so that it's not reinstated until we have a better source) I'd be fine with that. Barry Wom (talk) 11:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Mission Impossible 7

Does MI7 use digital IMAX cameras or not? Yes according to IMDB. Not sure why it was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.169.140 (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Spider-Man: No Way Home

Barry Wom (talk) 14:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

There appears to be some confusion over what constitutes a film being produced with IMAX-certified digital cameras. To be clear, the fact that a film has an expanded ratio in IMAX cinemas does not mean that said cameras were used. There are several examples of titles with exclusive IMAX aspect ratios which did not use IMAX-certified cameras - for instance 1917, Black Widow and No Time to Die.

Similarly, there are several examples of films shot with the Arri Alexa Mini LF without IMAX certification, for instance The Trial of the Chicago 7, Space Jam 2 and Gunpowder Milkshake.

So was Spider-Man: No Way Home filmed with IMAX-certified cameras? It's certainly possible, but there needs to be a citation supplied which explicitly confirms this. An good example would be the reference supplied ([1]) for Avengers: Infinity War which states "to be shot entirely with IMAX cameras".

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Splungekik (talk) 10:48, 21 December 2021 (CST)

There is no confusion over what constitutes a film being produced with IMAX-certified digital cameras. There are, however, multiple conflicting standards on this Wikipedia page.

1) I chose not to issue a warning for multiple reasons. It is irresponsible to post a warning for edit warring when said user has been engaging in edit warring for 7+ days.

2) Spider-Man: No Way Home was filmed with IMAX-certified cameras and presented in the expanded 1.90:1 aspect ratio throughout its entire 2hr 14 min duration. Just as the 'Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings' entry two rows above Spider-Man claims to have been filmed with ARRI Alexa LF and Mini LF cameras yet is not credited as a film on either camera's ARRI page, ([2]) ([3]) either Spider-Man follows the same rules with the reliable citation from Forbes I have repeatedly used ([4]) and both films are kept, or both films must be removed. No in-between.

3) Furthermore, there is also the issue of what counts as "trivia" to be removed for irrelevance.

'Garden Isle' is listed under the entirely IMAX 70mm list as being the "First OMNIMAX film" along with 'We Are Born of Stars' listed as the "First IMAX 3D film," 'Transitions' listed as the "First full-colour IMAX 3D film," 'Momentum' listed as the "First IMAX HD film," etc. etc. I used this information to signify 'The Dark Knight' as the first blockbuster to utilize IMAX 70mm film cameras and 'Avengers: Infinity War' as the first blockbuster (not feature-length film - 'Pandas') shot entirely with IMAX-certified digital cameras and presented in the expanded 1.90:1 aspect ratio throughout its entire 2hr 18 min duration.

I measured this number myself. If my entries were deemed trivia and removed, so must all the other "first" entries that also count as trivia. If there is no consistency applied to this page's entries, either all of it must be kept or all of it removed. There is no in-between.

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Barry Wom (talk) 17:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Spider-Man: No Way Home was filmed with IMAX-certified cameras

So you keep insisting. But you have failed to provide a reference which confirms this.

the reliable citation from Forbes I have repeatedly used

Again, the Forbes article does not indicate that IMAX-certified cameras were used in the production.

the 'Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings' entry two rows above Spider-Man claims to have been filmed with ARRI Alexa LF and Mini LF cameras yet is not credited as a film on either camera's ARRI page

I suggest you take a closer look at the reference supplied for Shang-Chi [5]. This is from the IMAX corportion and on page 13, this title is listed as "Filmed in IMAX", i.e. IMAX-certified cameras were used in the production. You'll also notice Spider-Man: No Way Home listed on the same page. There is no "Filmed in IMAX" notification for this title, indicating that IMAX-certified cameras were not used in the production.

The removal of trivial information from the article is irrelevant to this particular discussion.

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Splungekik (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2021 (CST)

Again, the Forbes article does not indicate that IMAX-certified cameras were used in the production.

Yes, the Forbes article I linked does in fact state "the film has been shot using the ARRI Alexa Mini LF camera" of which the ARRI Alexa Mini LF camera is an IMAX-certified digital camera.

I suggest you take a closer look at the reference supplied for Shang-Chi

This is irrelevant as there is still the issue of the cameras claimed to be used for this movie on this Wikipedia page failing to be mentioned by the manufacturer of said cameras on the manufacturer's official pages for said cameras. This appears to be an impasse that must be addressed as per my point about the inconsistency of this page, a valid point that has not been addressed and is being actively ignored.

I've added a further citation which confirms the use of IMAX-certified cameras on Shang-Chi Barry Wom (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

The removal of trivial information from the article is irrelevant to this particular discussion.

Very well, I will create a new section to talk about this issue. I advise you to discuss this in its section before making any hasty edits.

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Barry Wom (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I do realise it's all rather confusing, but the ARRI Alexa Mini LF camera IS NOT THE SAME CAMERA as the ARRI Alexa Mini LF IMAX camera. Modifications were made to the basic camera system before IMAX allowed the "IMAX-certified" label to be used. Spider-Man does not appear to have used the IMAX-certified version of the camera.

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Splungekik (talk) 11:55, 21 December 2021 (CST)

In that case, I will correct Shang-Chi's entry to use the ARRI Alexa LF IMAX and Mini LF IMAX cameras. Now onto the issue of other conflicting information.

Trivia

Splungekik (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2021 (CST)

There must be a standard agreed upon as to which information is deemed irrelevant trivia that must be removed and which information deserves to be highlighted.

'Garden Isle' is listed under the entirely IMAX 70mm list as being the "First OMNIMAX film" along with 'We Are Born of Stars' listed as the "First IMAX 3D film," 'Transitions' listed as the "First full-colour IMAX 3D film," 'Momentum' listed as the "First IMAX HD film," etc. etc.

My attempts to add to the existing list of trivia have been removed for being irrelevant, yet the facts listed above stay. I am here to improve this page and offer clarity for those confused about which IMAX films were actually shot with IMAX film or certified digital cameras, and this improvement cannot exist with conflicting edits.

I used the information above to signify 'The Dark Knight' as the first blockbuster to utilize IMAX 70mm film cameras and 'Avengers: Infinity War' as the first blockbuster (not feature-length film - 'Pandas') shot entirely with IMAX-certified digital cameras and presented in the expanded 1.90:1 aspect ratio throughout its entire 2hr 18 min duration, both pieces of information of which there is absolutely no confusion or dispute, yet were still removed. If anyone would like to clarify, please do so.

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Barry Wom (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

The first usages of the various IMAX technologies is notable information. "First blockbuster to use IMAX cameras" isn't, any more than, say, "First French film to use IMAX cameras" or "First musical to use IMAX cameras"

I've removed a reference to "First documentary film in IMAX 3D", which is also of questionable notability.

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Splungekik (talk) 12:05, 21 December 2021 (CST)

I would argue that the first Hollywood blockbuster, French film, musical, etc. would all be significant firsts for large-format filmmaking such as IMAX, and should be noted as accomplishments.

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Barry Wom (talk) 18:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

And where do you draw the line? Most of the films on the list would qualify for "First xxxx to use IMAX cameras" if we go down that route. "Island of the Sharks: First film featuring sharks to use IMAX cameras".

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Splungekik (talk) 12:20, 21 December 2021 (CST)

It's not complicated, the first two Hollwyood movies (the majority of this page being comprised of movies) to utilize IMAX film and digital cameras is a good fact to add, seeing as there are only two of them. I'm not saying 'NOPE' would also benefit from a note signifying it as the first horror movie shot with IMAX film or digital cameras once that information is available, but also, why not? Let's go crazy with facts. This is Wikipedia, after all.

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Barry Wom (talk) 18:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

There's a difference between notable facts and trivial information. You appear to be advocating for the latter.

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Splungekik (talk) 12:40, 21 December 2021 (CST)

'The Dark Knight' being the first non-documentary film to utilize IMAX 70mm film cameras (even partially) and 'Avengers: Infinity War' being the first non-documentary film to utilize IMAX-certified digital cameras (for the entire feature) are notable facts. Notable enough for Christopher Nolan to change the way IMAX is used today and notable enough for the source used to cite Infinity War hailing it the first non-documentary film to use IMAX-certified digital cameras for the entire feature. If that's not notable enough to go alongside the first IMAX 3D, OMNIMAX, etc. films then I don't know what else is.

The Dark Knight' being the first non-documentary film to utilize IMAX 70mm film cameras (even partially)

Sorry, wrong again I'm afraid. See Wings of Courage (1995) and The Young Black Stallion (2003).

You're welcome to canvass for support for your inclusion of trivia in the list but in the meantime please do not amend the article without a consensus being reached. Barry Wom (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: Recent page reversion

To: Barry Wom,

Why didn't you first flag my additions instead of reverting them? This would have given me time to add citation sources to them. Looking over some of the citations for the other films listed in the IMAX digital camera categories, would links to the relevant IMDB page stating the cameras used be sufficient? After all, these aren't major changes, just adding in the recent films which have been shot using IMAX certified cameras. Zymr (talk) 10:48, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, IMDB is not a reliable source. Most of the references in this section are from the IMAX website, so you'd need to find similar.

Also bear in mind that there are subtle differences between the Arri Alexa LF/Arri Alexa Mini LF and the IMAX-certified versions of those cameras, which has caused confusion the the past. Barry Wom (talk) 11:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright. Well I found a link to an article on the Sony Cine website which states the camera used for AWoW is IMAX certified. Just sorting out the access date value now. Zymr (talk) 11:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Added two citations which reference: a) IMAX certification of the Sony CineAlta Venice camera and b) that the aforementioned camera was used to film AWoW. Should be sufficient. Zymr (talk) 12:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

The single Forbes citation is sufficient. Barry Wom (talk) 12:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll remove the verge article but the Sony Cine one does offer clarification on the camera so I think it is relevant. Zymr (talk) 12:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

See that you already did that and you removed the rialto 3D part of the camera. That is the extension used and there are various pages which can verify that. Do you not think that is also worth noting? Zymr (talk) 12:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

the Sony Cine one does offer clarification on the camera

I can't really see any "clarification on the camera" in the article. Besides, it's a PR piece from the company itself and best avoided if possible.

you removed the rialto 3D part of the camera. That is the extension used and there are various pages which can verify that. Do you not think that is also worth noting?

I've no problem with the "Rialto" part as long as it's supported by a reference. Barry Wom (talk) 12:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

The Sony Cine article does make note of the fact that the Sony Venice is part of the new IMAX program to be “Filmed in IMAX”. Not sure what else you'd be looking for when it comes to clarification on that, it may well be a PR piece as you put it but that is still a fact (we don't really disagree on that anyway). We appear to have veered off course, my initial goal was to add films that have been shot using the IMAX digital certified cameras.

In the meantime I'll refrain from adding another citation to include the Rialto 3D part of the camera name until I've found an article which specifically mentions that and AWoW in the same sentence as you are a stickler for being precise on such matters. Zymr (talk) 13:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Reformat Release dates of movies

Since all movies listed do not have a day/month/year release date and at minimum have a year that is mentioned, they should all have their dates reformatted as year/month/day so sorting up/down on the list actually works and does not mix up days and years. 2601:2C1:8E00:2DF0:C985:9EB:F1F8:93 (talk) 04:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The release dates are already in order, so I've removed the sortable attribute from the column. Barry Wom (talk) 06:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)