Talk:LeToya Luckett/Archive 1

Settlement

The eventual settlement with former bandmates has allowed Luckett to receive her royalties from Columbia Records for all Destiny's Child albums sold that she was apart of (Destiny's Child, The Writing's On The Wall), and albums that feature songs she was apart of (#1's, various complilation albums).

Discrepancy in the Miscellaneous section

[not verified]

As the Miscellaneous section no longer exists (good work!), I've removed this tag for cleanup.--Marysunshine 16:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Who did all of this?

It looks like LeToya herself or someone probably came on here and did this. She hasn't even had a big career and she has all of these pictures and other information

REPLY: a lot of her fans contribute to her page

Yeah! Quit hatin! : D Donmega60645 16:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Vocals

Whistle Register? I've never heard any of her highnotes in her short lived career with Destiny's Child...

REPLY: WELL U REALLY DUMB! Shes a soprano

REPLY 2 Reply: all sopranos cannot whistle.

Soprano doesn't prove anything. Alot of Soprano's ranges stop at C#6 or D6. To varify she can sing in the whistle register, a recording of her hitting at least E6 or any note in whistle voice is required for varification so others can agree with it. Myke 20:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I`ve read that she`s a lyric coloratura soprano - she absolutely doesn`t sound like mezzo to me. Seems to me that to almost every pop - singer someone here in Wikipedia writes Mezzo - includes Kylie Minogue etc - who ist absolutely no mezzo, more soubrette —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.218.231.238 (talk) 22:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

#1's album

I doubt this should be included in this article since every one of the signles she was on was re-recorded or re-edited (mostly likely with just the current members)making it the [#1's edited version] Also Letoya didn't appear on the cover and the only mention is in writing credits. I'm just sayin.

none of the song of destinys child/the writings on the wall and this is the remix had been re-recorded. they original radio edit with letoya vocals on.

Then why did they give the edited verison a whole new name

They didnt get new names. places like iTunes say "Edit" because they are shorter than the original like say my name - 4:30 going on the album as say my name (edit) - 4:00

Discography

I'm questioning the inclusion of Destiny's Child material here. Isn't all of this already in the Destiny's Child pages? Doesn't make sense to repeat it all, especially as she is beginning to earn success as a solo artist. At the very least, perhaps just a bullet-list with wikilinks for DC stuff, then have the chart positions and album images for her solo material. -- eo 00:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree; it should definitely be removed. It is unncessary to repeat all of Destiny's Child pre-2001 discography in this article. It just clutters up the page. --Musicpvm 06:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

no it is important to show her comtribution and presence in destinys child. so that will stay there.

Of course she contributed to DC, its mentioned within the article. But as this is an article about her we don't need all the extra DC stuff here. It's redundant; that's what wikilinking is for. Are you saying that all four members of, say, the Beatles should have their solo stuff and Beatles discographies in all their pages? Same goes for any band whose members have solo success. This article still needs work.... I also see that she is referred to by first name a few times as well... something that was already corrected before. -- eo 17:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

This article needs a major cleanup

I just looked it over and cleaned it up, but there is still an excess of unnecessary information that should be removed. LeToya's article should not have all of these charts and lists. As User:Ericorbit stated above, the Destiny's Child portions of the discography should be removed from this article and replaced with a link to Destiny's Child discography. The awards section should also be removed as LeToya has won no solo awards. If necessary, a link can be added to Destiny's Child awards and accolades. The songwriting credits and especially the live performances sections are too much. I have never seen any other article about a musican at Wikipedia which had a list of all the songs they have co-written or all the live performances they have partipated in. The "Miscellaneous" section should also be removed as it is not very encylopedic to have such a section. If any of the information in the section is notable, it should be moved into LeToya's actual biography section. --Musicpvm 21:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Please stop reverting my edits. I am trying to make this article meet Wikipedia's standards and its current state is far from it. This is not a fanpage but an article in an encylopedia. As stated above, there should be no "Miscellaneous" section. If this information is enyclopedia-worthy, it should be moved into her bio as I did. Also, a paragraph with a list of all the artists and producers she has worked with is unncessary. Fancruft such as the date the "Torn" video debuted on 106 & Park does not belong in here. My modifications to the intro follow Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies). Also, LeToya's solo career should at least be mentioned in the lead section as it should summarize the main points of the article (Wikipedia:Lead section). Many of these edits have been reverted. --Musicpvm 03:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

and as wikipedia standards

guest vocals are presented that way for most artists

===Guest Vocals===

====Album appearances====
====Soundtrack appearances====

so there's no reason it wont be the case for letoya.

concerning the awards. she won a grammy award under HER name and not under destinys child for the songwrting of "say my name". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.182.78 (talk • contribs)

A "Guest vocals" section has never been a Wikipedia standard. Why should soundtrack appearances be under guest vocals? She is not a guest in "What Love Can Do" from the Coach Carter soundtrack. She is the main artist. Also, when making new headings, only the first word should be capitalized unless it's a proper noun - "Guest vocals" instead of "Guest Vocals" (Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)#Capitalisation). All the song titles in the discography need to once again be placed in quotes instead of being italicized. Album titles are italicized, and song titles are placed in quotes. --Musicpvm 18:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you say. if it is not needed to put guest vocals. go ahead and go. but this must be changed to ALL artists page. and it is presented that way in 99% of the cases. destiny's child girls as well as christina milian, mya, and more more more.

OK. If you have time for that. u can do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.182.78 (talk • contribs)

ascap

songwritings is not part of the settlement. ASCAP pays songwriters independly of the record company. so letoya is still getting money from her songwriting. there is no proof needed. it's just logic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.182.78 (talk • contribs)

That is the case for ALL songwriters, so there is no reason for that information to be included in her article. It is unncessary. --Musicpvm 01:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

it is necessary because a lot of people misunderstand this fact. they think since she got booted from the group she had gave up on her rights, including on the songwriting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.182.78 (talk • contribs)

random trivia

some facts are not pertinent enough to be moved in the main solo carreer article. but it's still interesting to know them. like the fact that she's a soprano singer. wikipedia is a source for everyoone and also for journalists. information you judge unecessary migh be necessary for others. we already let you changed several stuff but we're not gonna let anyone do anything and vandalize letoya's page. thank you for your understanding.

by the way the random trivia appears in many artists pages --) marques houston, mila j, destiny's chil and more.

standards like you say are always about to change and evoluate to people's needs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.182.78 (talk • contribs)

It doesn't matter if those articles have trivia sections. You changed one of the section titles in the Destiny's Child article to "Random Trivia" to prove your point. Please see Featured Articles Mariah Carey and Celine Dion which are considered two of Wikipedia's best articles on musicians. The soprano mention can be added somewhere in her biography, but that glass-cutting sentence needs a source. And I am not vandalizing this article; I am doing exactly the opposite. This page is filled with fancruft and useless info/charts, and I am trying to clean it up. You are the one that seems to be unaware of Wikipedia's policies. Please sign your talk page comments by clicking the signature button and please add comments on other users' talk pages at the end of the page and not somewhere in the middle. --Musicpvm 17:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, I would suggest that one saw Mariah Carey and Kylie Minogue. Céline Dion is not the best article to go to on a musician because it lacks sound samples and a thorough "image" section. —Eternal Equinox | talk 20:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

what up toya

I kiera from TN. in a small town brownsville and I am a big Fan of u I followed u every since u was wit destinys child I all ways now u could be a solo artist well e-mail me at <email removed to prevent spam> love allways your number #1 fan

She most likely doesn't visit this page and probably won't respond to anything you put here. 69.145.123.171 ^Hello! Thursday, June 22, 2006, 01:24 (UTC)

grammy award + charts table

1: letoya won 2 grammy awards in 2001. one under destinys child and one under her name The info about the award under her name should stay on her page since she won this award under her name. if u check whos the grammy award winner for r&b song in 2001. LETOYA LUCKETT. NOT destiny's child. it's a songwriting award. source: Best R&B Song and [1]

2: the table charts on all those pages are the same. it should be the same too for letoya. Christina Milian, Mýa (singer),Brandy (entertainer), Monica (singer), Nelly, Keyshia Cole and much more. + The she don't is said to be released early july: source: [2]

Seems like Ericorbit is changing this chart table to all of those artists mentioned in your list. I don't know if he does that to prove his point. But for now I tried to please everyone and put the "official" wikipedia chart table that he is claiming. I still would like to have a link that shows and proves what is the official table chart used in wikipedia line so we can stop this unecessary dispute. I see that now half of the artists are using one model and the other half another one. So what is the right one? Once it will be clearly defined what is the right one then we will have to edit all artists pages that doesn't match the official one. And I repeat It's about a half. Kareubeu

the chart table he put is not clear for reugular people that are not professional. the other chart table used by "half of the artists" like u say mention "charts position" on the top of ... the chart positions. people who checkin a artist page when they see ericorbit's model page they wont notice and undertand right away what it all those numbers means. so since "half of the artists" use a table that mentions "chart positions" i dont see why we wouldn choice that one. and yeah id like to see a prove too of what he sayin that it is official. cuz it's not. they're no mention of that a table should mention chart positions or not. --Letoyabrigade 16:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

You can reference this guideline: Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts and also its Talk Page, in which many editors contributed. The guideline discourages the separation of U.S. charts from other countries, the boldfacing of chart positions and use of the "#" symbol, among other things. You may also want to check out Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works) which not only pertains to music, but also to books and films. I have changed many many pages (not just LeToya, Brandy, Monica, etc. to adhere to this format and for the record many of the articles I have changed are for artists I neither like nor dislike.... I simply am following a formatting guideline). For other article (biography) style guides, see links provided by Musicpvm above. -- eo 16:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

u just proved u point is wrong. one of the reference for discographies is Nine Inch Nails and it says "peak chart positions" on the top of the countries. now dont go there and edit it cuz i will revert it since it's supose to be right. --Letoyabrigade 17:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Just because you find one article that doesn't follow the guideline doesn't mean a guideline doesn't exist or that it is "wrong". Am I supposed to police the entire encylcopedia for every article that needs formatting changes? Why don't you change it? Or contribute to Nine Inch Nails' Discussion Page? Or contribute to a WikiProject discussion about chart position presentation? Have you read Nine Inch Nails' Talk page? Or the Talk Page for any artists besides LeToya or Destiny's Child? Have you collaborated (i.e. worked with or compromised) with editors on the layout of any page in this encyclopedia? Have you read any of the style guides or links provided to you by me, Musicpvm, or any editor who has left comments for you on your User Talk Page or any of the User Talk Pages of your aliases and IP addresses? It's pretty obvious that your agenda is to specifically make the LeToya article a fanpage and format it to your liking rather than contributing positively to the Wikipedia as a whole. -- eo 17:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

im not gonna change something that is supose to be right. so the question is what is right what is wrong. of course because i want the chart table to be clear and be like other artists that means i wanna keep that page as a fan page. of course... uh huh . unless you getting paid for that u seem to be like a very bored person.--Letoyabrigade 17:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for directing me to Nine Inch Nails - the table there was outdated (i.e., the columns were different widths, the # symbol was used, chart positions were boldfaced, albums were repeatedly wikilinked). So I fixed it. Your tactic of reverting the LeToya page over and over again is eventaully going to get you banned from here, especially because of your refusal to work cooperatively with other editors and your blantant admission that you aren't interested in Wikipedia standards and you're only here to make LeToya's page look the way you want. It's not going to work. -- eo 17:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

i do work cooperatively. you dont! i let the table like you wanted it to be. i let u erase all the stuff on the page. i let u edit lot a lot. the few that i try to keep u dont give me no chance. so YOU are the one whos is not tryin to compromise. u just deleting information just like that because of your judgment i explained my point of view for the award. this is hers not destinys child so i'll keep that info. + u erase each time all awards information each time u edit and that girl got those awards so as it is an encyclopedia like u say, more info are present the better it is. i did my part on the compromise thing so now its ur turn.--Letoyabrigade 17:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

If the only problem you have was the inclusion of the award, why do you revert the charts table? Why are you logging on and off with different user names? Why all this commotion and drama on this page and various User Pages? Something as simple as the inclusion of one award on LeToya's page could have easily been resolved a long time ago if your approach was a little more civil. No one is trying to take away her award or elude that she never won anything - of course she has accomplished a lot - and most of it (up to this point) was with Destiny's Child, which is why there is a wikilink there to show people that there is more info about LeToya on another page. As she wins awards and accomplishes things as a solo artist then most definitely it should (and will) be included here. -- eo 17:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

seems like u dont understand that im not the only one watchin that page. u underestimate letoya's success. and i was not ok with that chart table you and User:Kareubeu made either but he proved his point so i COMPROMISE. so now i'm not gonna revert that part. hope we done with that cuz its crazy.--Letoyabrigade 18:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

If you want to keep that one award listed, I personally don't have an issue (i.e. I can compromise on that).... and if you had presented your point a little less aggressively people would have been a lot more open to listening to your reasons. What I and others were trying to explain to you is that no one here is trying to say LeToya isn't successful or that she doesn't have lots of fans, etc., etc. We're simply bringing articles in an encylcopedia up to certain standards. Everyone here contributes to a lot of different articles - not just people or subjects of which we are fans. We all like to read and browse the Wikipedia and when we see things that need correction or cleanup - we work together to clean them up. It's that simple. -- eo 18:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

iight then. i got that. im glad that u willing to compromise and that we finally found a solution. have a good day.--Letoyabrigade 18:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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The award was not individually won by LeToya. It states: "La Shawn Daniels, Fred Jerkins III, Rodney Jerkins, Beyoncé Knowles, LeToya Luckett, LaTavia Roberson & Kelly Rowland for "Say My Name" performed by Destiny's Child". It mentions ALL four members of Destiny's Child along with three other songwriters, so I do not understand how the award was only given to LeToya or how it is different from any other Destiny's Child award. There is already a link to the Destiny's Child awards article, so it does not make sense to pick and choose certain awards to display on the main article. That is not a neutral point of view.

This award is given individually to each writer. on the statue it is written the writer's name and not the performer's name. so this award is not considered as destiny's child. + when u revert u erase all information concerning the awards including the link that redirect to destinys child award section.--Letoyabrigade 09:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Also on your talk page, you claimed "LeToya's single she don't will be released Early july not the 25th". I fail to understand why that is an issue. As you can see here and here you reverted a version that already stated that "She Don't" was "Scheduled for release in July." I see no mention of the 25th. This is NOT something I have ever disagreed with you about.

oh ok i thought u put back 25. but u still not mentioning the point of the charts table. i dont get why u keep reverting and putting back that old stylistic table charts. please tell ur friend Ericorbit to stop reverting that table the one he made looks horrible.it seems like he just want to fight. Letoya's chart table has been based on the same one that is used by all other artists. Maybe u wanna the info "currently active on charts" and "release schedule for july" to appear. I'm ok with that but just add those infos on the notes on the table charts that is more elaborate (with the indication of "chart positions" on the top of each chart) on the bottom of "1.release on a vinyl format only" u can just add those info. --Letoyabrigade 09:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

On your talk page, you stated that you and "2000 users" are watching this article through a LeToya forum. Please understand that this is an encylopedia with specific guidelines and policies. You and your "friends" have shown a disregard for these guidelines over the past few weeks and have continually reverted edits (while making personal attacks, vandalizing userpages with hateful comments, and without discussing issues on talk pages) to versions with poor grammar and fancruft that do not follow Wikipedia's style guidelines. The LeToya Luckett article is NOT a fanpage; it is an article in an enyclopedia. Ericorbit and I have tried to clean the article up, so it looks professional. And not that it matters as anybody is free to edit any page at Wikipedia, I am not a "hater" as you have claimed and am actually a fan of LeToya's, which is one reason why I have tried to bring this page up to Wikipedia's standards. --Musicpvm 04:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

i never disagreed on that. and if u really a fan u would not act the way you do and tryin to hide on what letoya has contributes to destiny's child. (which is not clearly explained and identified on destinys child's pages since new fans are kind of hating on original members. they actin like they never existed and put as little as possible information about them; in other group former members always has a large space like Spice Girls or En Vogue) + if u were REALLY fan of letoya u would be on her forum. so i'm kinda not believing u beeing a fan. --Letoyabrigade 09:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Creating a good encyclopedia article has nothing to do with being a fan of LeToya or any other artist. These are not fanpages, its an encyclopedia. -- eo 22:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

would both of you quit it? I'm not a big fan of her but I think she deserves what she get right now, I mean for Destiny's Child girls, she also become succesful just like Kelly Rowland and Beyonce Knowles (I admitted that it's still LONG way for LeToya to combat Beyonce)... but I mean, for a starter, I think she doing just fine... -justame-

Discography Page

It says it needs to be cleaned up, read the pages discussion!

I guess

to be truly honest latoya doing her thing b-cuz if she wasn't haters wouldn't be wasting they time puttin trash on here we have way more bigger problems than worring about some one else

Sales

She was certified platinum Right now it's saying she's sold over 5 million in the US. And only 4 million+ worldwide. Someone's getting a little crazy.- Bryan

Official Singles

according to the billboard website letoyas offical singles are:

1. She Don't
2. Torn
3. All Eyes on Me
4. U Got What I Need
5. No More
6. Somethin' 4 Ya

my source is here at the bottom of the page. can someone please make sure ALL of these singles have single pages? please and thank you. Ratizi1 04:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

No More is B-side for All Eyes On Me tracklist, but Somethin' 4 Ya was never sent to any radio stations and was just available for d/L as special bonus through walmart. --Eduemoni^↑talk↓ 17:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA

There's a {{POV}} tag in the Destiny's Child section, which means it must be quick failed as a GA unfortunately. Also, the lead and early life sections need expanding before this article is ready to pass GA. Once these issues have been addressed, feel free to contact me via my talk page and I'll rereview. CloudNine 09:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for addressing those points quickly. However, I have several issues with the article:

• "Shortly thereafter, she joined the children's choir and began performing in plays at her elementary school, one day she was walking to her desk a girl was sitting in her seat and she called her teacher to remove the girl out of her assigned seat, the girl turned out to be Beyoncé Knowles." Hard to read; needs rephrasing as it's a run-on sentence.
• best friends and quotes in general shouldn't be italicized
• "BET promoted LeToya heavily not only on 106 & Park, The Center, and The Black Carpet, but with a 3-part reality series special called, The H-Town Chick." Why a comma at the end of the sentence?
• At the end of the reference section, there's a URL which needs a title, publisher etc.
• "U.S. Billboard 200, Top R&B and Comprehensive Albums. Hip-Hop charts" Is the full stop supposed to be there?
• "Her father, whom is also a singer, spread the word of his daughter vocal talents" needs rephrasing (whom is also a singer, which may be correct, doesn't flow too well)

There are more examples; you may want to read the article out loud to help improve some of the prose. I'll put this article on hold until these issues have been solved. CloudNine 07:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I've passed this article as a good article (sorry for the delay!). Some improvements you may want to make include adding a "Musical style" section for her solo material and expanding the lead and early life sections. CloudNine 09:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:LeToya Luckett/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I firmly believe that LeToya Luckett no longer meets the good article criteria.

• The article is not very well written. There are several single paragraph sections and single sentence paragraphs throughout the article.
• The article does not comply with the Manual of Style on some points. For example, endashes are not used between years (mostly the headings face this problem). There are also a few dates with no commas (for example, January 1 2009 is used instead of January 1, 2009) as well as a linked DMY date randomly in the article.
• The article is not factually accurate and verifiable. There are several sentences and paragraphs without citations, thus failing WP:V and WP:OR.
• There are also a couple sources that are questionable on their reliability, including, but not limited to: ConcreteLoop, That Grape Juice, YouTube, MonicaMania, etc.
• Media samples do not have proper captions; they do not enhance the knowledge of the reader nor will they lose any without these files.

If these issues are not resolved within the next two weeks, I'm afraid I'll have to delist this article. Good luck to those who plan to work on this article. DiverseMentality 00:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

It has been two weeks and the article still does not meet the good article criteria and is therefore being delisted. Please address any and all concerns before renominating this article for good article status. If you feel this reassessment was a mistake, please feel free to send it to WP:GAR. Thank you. DiverseMentality 03:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in LeToya Luckett

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LeToya Luckett's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Allmusic":

• From Lady Love (album): Kellman, Andy (2009). "Lady Love - LeToya". Allmusic. Retrieved February 2, 2011.
• From Michelle Williams (singer): Ruhlmann, William. "Album Review: Michelle Williams - Heart to Yours". Allmusic. Macrovision Company. Retrieved 2008-04-17.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)