Talk:Lagos/Archive 1

Capital Distinction

Just reading through the article and noticed that the first part of the article states that Lagos ceased to be the capital of Nigeria in 1991, while the last part states that this event occured in 1976. Anyone have an idea about which of these is correct?

Confusion between Lagos and Lagos State

I'd like to discuss re-doing the pages for Lagos and Lagos State.

"Lagos" is a nebulous concept. When you say Lagos, different people think about different things. Some think of Lagos Island. Others think of the entire state. The entry for "Lagos" talks about the whole state. So does the entry for "Lagos State".

I propose to: (1) Reformat the Lagos State entry to talk about the entire state (2) Change the Lagos entry to talk about eko/Lagos Island.

I'm obviously not a Lagos boy (heck, I'm not Nigerian or even African) so I'm throwing this out there for others who are wiser than I to debate. --User:rjhatl 07:33, 10 Dec 2004 (EST)

Over to you Eko boys, time to tell it as it is, I am not an Eko boy either, but I know that "Lagos or Eko" is quite distinct from "Lagos State", which is a political creation to delineate the areas around Lagos for an easier administration of the "areas around Lagos or Eko".

With a population stretching close to 15 million inhabitants (arguable) or more Lagos State is therefore an administrative area as well as administrative term encompassing areas that are'nt necessarily Eko, in fact this areas, even though inhabited by other yorubas of other stock are in reality very different. The people from Badagry for instance are different from the Eko people and are much closer to the peoples in the Republic of Benin. However, today they are more or less known and regarded as Lagosians as result of the administrative umbrellas that brings them under Lagos State.

You need therefore to take cognisnace of this variations when writing or talking about "Lagos State" and "Lagos". This is common among most of the adminitsrative areas and the communities in Nigeria. An addition also is that, this differences have also provided good analyticaly grounds for some of the problems common in Nigeria. The problems of citizenship and conflicts for instance.

Lagos is a hellhole

It might be good to have the article mention some of the downsides of Lagos:

• The pollution
• The crime
• The police checkpoints
• How dirty it is
• How all the cars look have crinkled bodies
• The poverty

I don't think I'm the right person to write this, but right now, the article is very biased.

I made a Crime segment in my update, but I couldn't add too much because I don't like to add things to city articles without references. Totally forgot about pollution. Couldn't find any poverty statistics of note either, although I don't doubt for a second that Lagos is full of it. Nach0king 16:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Gallery of street photos

Hello, i'm french and I took some pictures of Lagos in a travel (2003). I upload the photos on the Photogallery FlickR and make a link on this wikipedia page, I did'nt find how to integrate directly the photos in the articles. If you know how to do you can freely use these picture. All the pictures are licensed on the Commons Creative License, so you can do absolutly everything you want : share, redistribute, enhancing...  ;-) contact me if you want (more photos on stock) : zouzou@webalys.com

Contradiction

This article and the article on Abuja both state that Lagos ceased to be the capital of Nigeria in 1991. However, this article also states that this is a misconception and that Lagos ceased to be the capital in or soon after 1976. Which is correct? Schoen 01:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

How can you have a Place without Picture

I place a picture link, someone remove it why.

I don't know how you can have a Place without a Picture, but I do know how we can have an Article without a Spamlink. That's why. — mark ✎ 17:18, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

MARK , did you read the wikispam.. I have copy it here for you.. how could picture on a website be spam.. I never saw pop up on the site.. I only saw picture.. They never solicitate for business, product or service. on the website, I even saw a link on the site that redirect user to wikipedia , for information about lagos, check it out yourself, you would find Wikipedia links on the site for information. so why the so much cry on spam. it was just picture.. Now tell me about your self, do you own this site.. It is just a question. I want to know...

read below..

There are two types of wikispam: advertisements masquerading as articles, and wide-scale external link spamming. Articles considered advertisements include those that are solicitations for a business, product or service, or are public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual. Wikispam articles are usually noted for sales-oriented language and external links to a commercial website. A differentiation should be made between spam articles and legitimate articles about commercial entities, however.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Henry (talk • contribs)

The site you tried to add, nigeria.tz4.com, brings the visitor, after an awful load of redirects (including www.nigeriaplanet.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=redirhome), to nigeria.mooo.com/preview.html. On that site, it is very difficult to distinguish the commercial offers from the rare useful content. I have waded for ten minutes through that morass of redirects and advertisements and I have not found anything which would make this site qualify as a good external link, as defined in Wikipedia:External links. All links to 'pictures of city X' lead to the aforementioned nigeriaplanet.proboards43.com. What you get if you follow such a link, is a page of which 80% is commercial advertising, on which you can find about five pictures. I think we can do better. In the last months, there have been various attempts to add this site to hundreds of articles related to Nigeria. That is spamming. Indeed, to stop the trouble of having going through this same discussion over and over again, I will have it added to the site-wide spam blacklist. — mark ✎ 08:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Mark, Why are you so particular,, is there anything wrong... That was not the site with the picture.. he is a link with the site with the picture , it goes directly to the picture.. And I cant see an commercial, can some else try .. Go back to history to check again, do not twist the truth on my, I do not care if you black list or green list... I see you more like a lonely man with nothing better in life to do, I busybody.. go get a life.. get a career, and stop been a slave to the owner of wiki.. you do not get pay.. Check your contribution.. it show you have no life. Do you have a girl friend. Get yourself a career.. Do something withg your life, instead of pinning all your hope in life on Wikipedia.. Nobody give a shit.. about you, the owners would makes money, you just done.. Go get a life.. USe your time wise —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter henry (talk • contribs)

I do not see pop up xxx.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=lagospicture —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Henry (talk • contribs) (User:Wikiwizzy broke the link to save this page)

I clicked on that link. I waited, saw google ads come up, and if I paged down saw a lot of small thumbnails, that would probably take me through the same process to view them any bigger. Do you have a picture of Lagos ? Upload it to Commons, and link from this article. The 'picture' above is not acceptable, by a large margin. Wizzy…☎ 10:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

MARK, YOU NOW CALL YOURSELF Wizzy... On this same page Lagos.. I have found more than one website with google ads... and external links..and some have pop up. the page in question does not have pop up... here are the list.. check them all out and delete them too.. And I would search all of wiki.. with the same google ad and external links , and delete them, I say like 7 million pages. and delete them...and do me, a favour delete them too...

The problem with you MArk , you like to win an agrument, I have seen that more than 3 other people have discuss with you on the same topic... And because you do not want to be a loser, which you are , you keep on , deleting the links.. Grow up... Sometime, you do not win.. So call wizzy, see mark contribution.. here are links with google ad and popo on the page.. let see if you would delete them...

• The Guardian
• Vanguard Online Edition - News from Nigeria
• This Day Online
• OT Africa Line - Nigeria Page
• OT Africa Line - Lagos Port Statistics
• Africa Travelling - Lagos Culture
• ESource
• Nigeria Sports World Stadiums - Nigeria

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Henry (talk • contribs)

No, I am most definitely not Wikiwizzy (talk · contribs). And yes, Wizzy and I happen to agree that your link has to go. Cut the personal attacks; please see WP:NPA. I am withdrawing from this conversation. — mark ✎ 19:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I also note that you tried to delete the links from my request on the spam blacklist. That could be construed as vandalism. It might get you blocked, just like repeated personal attacks and repeated spamming. Just don't. — mark ✎ 19:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok you win, what do you want remove from the page Mr mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.195.84.54 (talk • contribs)

Nothing needs to be removed at this time. You now cannot add any links from proboards43.com. We agree this article could use better pictures. Do you have any ? Pictures, not links, please, and first prize would be ones you took yourself, and uploaded to wikimedia commons. Are you from Lagos ? Do you have a digital camera ? Do you know anyone who has ? Wizzy…☎ 06:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I can only give you link, I do not have camera.. I can send you an external link with picture.. I have no time to go take picture.. if you want link with picture , no commercial , i would get you only since you claim that one have commerical on it, Right, that was your complain, what that not so Wizzy or mark... Remember people have right to those picture too..

You wrote "An agreement have been reach to have the picture commercial free and return back to Wikipedia". I see no evidence of such an agreement, and I don't feel that you should be rewarded after having made several personal attacks and legal threats. It is not OK to have an external site hosting pictures for Wikipedia. If you can prove that you own the copyright to the pictures, you can upload them directly to Wikipedia. If you do not own the copyright, you shouldn't be linking to the site at all. Please stop spamming Wikipedia. Rhobite 16:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I am shock by both of you, if you do a quick research you would know , i have started more topic on wikipedia, than anyone .. from the same remote location.. , even the said page, you claim authority to know, i wrote most of the piece , this you could verified under different name for more than 4 years now.. the said links picture of Nigeria have been there for more 4 years now, under yahoo. with yahoo ad.. nobody raise an eyebrown.. Is there a different reason you people are bend on this.. If it was about mark, mark happen to be a person, who want to win always, and i understand is feeling becuuse he is young..

but be objective is not using moderator power to win a case.. this is what Rhobite is doing.. If Rhobite think he want to contribute to the Page he should go to Nigeria, and get picture of it.. I am not getting paid for doing this, I am only doing wikipedia a favour, but I now regret, that I should not have started the so many topic i did, which some of them are not be use against me.. I know i have learnt my lesson, I would never start any topic against. i would leave you in keeping your over 40 years old knowledge of Africa and Nigeria. Since you it look like you people do not want to see anything good about the place, I have gone thru most of the picture on Wikipedia and some of the so call contribution are irritating, protracting us as thief, take for example the No to correct release by the infamours CIA, some of the information are not correct. When you remove thing like this you PEOPLE IN QUOTE who claim you know us more than US. just come back to insert it.. What is the all purpose of wikipedia, to inform or to MISINFORM.. Change you view Rhobite.. If you are going to be objective be..

You are not God, if been a moderator make you feel on top of the world, please it is not an achieve , the owner of wikipedia get paid, you are just a tool, been use and that can be dispost of any day.. from what i see, from your talk, if you have start your on .com company you would have made money for yourself. but you just spend your energy and time on building another man wealth. This is an Advice to you Rhobite. it is just an advice , you do not have to take.. time is a precious thing... Yestersday have gone, or time you spend on wikipedia have gone ,invest your time and Energy on your own website.. send me your link and may be i can help you... email me at onelove20004j@hotmail.com.. ok. young man..I am too old to talk with you.. Have a nice days. if you think about this thing, and you want to put the links or any of you, please.. I wish you well, may God bless you.. My time is precious.. I have better thing in life to achieve.

bye

You seem to be deliberately misconstruing what editors are saying here. Everyone here wants Wikipedia to have good articles on Nigeria, with beautiful pictures in them. People have very patiently explained the best way to get pictures added to Wikipedia articles. It is not by adding external links, since Wikipedia is not a link directory. So if that's the only way you want to contribute, bye. — mark ✎ 09:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Mark was this said person is saying is correct, I have gone through past link for the last four years, I have seen this said links with advertise and i have seen other pages , even this page with other external links, so my question to you, your reason does not look good to me.. You give me the impression you have another motive for doing this. What is that motive... I doubt your sincerity ----Smiths Kelvin

There is no other motive. I made myself clear. Might you feel the need to accuse me of racism, go right ahead; the outlandishness of that claim is clear to anyone taking a closer look at my contributions to Wikipedia.

By the way, if you have good pictures of Lagos (or on other Nigerian topics) under a suitable license, why not upload them here? Everyone here agrees that better pictures are always a welcome addition to any articles. — mark ✎ 19:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

History source

What's the source for the history account as it is now in the article and in History of Lagos? Also, references are lacking for the rest of the article. — mark ✎ 13:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I have altered this a bit and added sources. The old content is now on History of Lagos. This should be referenced and fleshed out further, IMO. Nach0king 15:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

i have corrected a few things the Name Eko was given by a king and the slave trade in lagos began in the 18th century not the 15th i have also added a paragraph about the end of the slave trade as i think it adds to the history showing it was ended by the will of the people through the monarch with the help of the british not by the british. Akintunde 2;20,25 March 2006

Yes, I think it is better this way. However, above all, we should cite reliable sources, otherwise the article will not meet the verifiability guideline. Which sources did you use? — mark ✎ 13:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

An observation has been gleamed from this article.

If, the city has built up surrounding the founding town or city, Then, Lagos is similiar to the city of London and Rome, Also then, two sets of laws exist for Lagos, Nigeria because of development. Therefore, a set of laws exists for the historical island city of EKO and another set of laws for the surrounding metropolis. Rodeney123 13:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC) rodeney123 2007-02-03

Better pictures

Some of these pictures here don't look that good, such as the one showing a hazy, unbclear view of Lagos and the boring picture of a Lagos dirt street. We should get some better pictures. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

How did all references to "Nigeria" come to be replaced by "Portugal"?

INTERACTIVE MAPS

Interactive maps of Lagos: Address search, find my nearest, points of interest, postcode search, driving directions

http://www.ceaser-web.com

MAP

I dunno how to add pics, can sum1 add a map of nigeria showin where lagos is like they have on the page for abuja

City infobox

Can someone fill in the blanks including a city location map for the info box? Eman007

Capital status

When, exactly, did Lagos officially cease to be the capital of Nigeria? I thought it was 1991 when Abuja finally gained the status, but according to History of Lagos it in fact happened much earlier. An encyclopedia I have downstairs says it happened in 1980 but I can't find that confirmed online; is it true? Did Nigeria go for 11 years without a capital? Does anyone have a good source for this important info? Nach0king 09:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It IS 1991. Lagos was the capital until 1991, however the construction of Abuja in the Federal Capital Territory was already underway in the 1980s. Abuja before the 1970s was non-existing. - Qasamaan 09:33, November 26, 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the info! Can you add a source with that to the article? It would help a lot. Cheers¬ Nach0king 19:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Population

2006 census have not been accepted yet. The senate rejected the figure .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Views20071 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I placed a contradict tag on this article because the data in the info box contradicts the text of the article itself, which says population estiamtes "vary considerably, but generally range from 12 to 18.5 million." The infobox says Lagos is home to "Between 10.5-15 million" people. Even stranger, it puts the urban and metropolitan area estimates at 9 million? How can the metropolitan area have less people than the city proper?

I realize that no one can say precisely--or even generally--how many people this sprawling city has. But if we're going to include estimates in the article, let's make sure they're consistent.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 13:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Population listed by various sources:

• UN World Urbanization Prospects: 10,886,000 (2005-07-01) [1] (Urban agglomeration concept)
• World Gazetteer: 9,229,944 (2007-01-01) [2] (seems to refer to Lagos state - how is that different from the "city of Lagos"?)
  • World Gazetter lists Lagos metro area as 11,615,563 [3]
• 1991 Nigeria Census: 5,195,247 (as listed in [4])

--Polaron | Talk 21:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Lagos State apparently contains not only the metro area. As in this article, the population info isn't the best! I agree that we should strive for consistency - but where to start? Nach0king 13:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Where to start? Well, this article says there was a 2006 census, and provides numbers even though the numbers are contested...: http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36529[5] I'm not sure what Wiki's rules are for references. So, I'll leave the corrections for someone else. 68.60.59.250 10:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Size relative to Ibadan

Twice now I've reverted edits saying that Ibadan is a larger city than Lagos. I doubt that personally, plus there's nothing in the Ibadan article to substantiate that claim. Perhaps the IP user is trying to make some statement about Ibadan being the largest indigenous city in Nigeria, but whatever the case it's unclear. I'll keep reverting until it's substantiated or clarified. - Draeco 22:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Scam Central

I'm surprised that no mention of the massive email and fax scams coming specifically from Lagos are covered in this article. I've personally seen where these scams are conducted. And while I was in Nigeria, I personally witnessed the large amount of scam artists operating in Lagos. I think a section should be devoted to the crime in that city. Jtpaladin 19:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Interesting subject. As a native Lagosian, I think more effort is needed, or a little, into doing this asap. Don't you think? - Omar 180 18:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I did that, and some idiot anon tried to remove the paragraph. I put it back. If he comes back, I'll block him. WhisperToMe 22:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Well done. Jtpaladin 14:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Aadebayo did it (I.E. removed the section) again! [6] - I told him, in all caps, to stop doing it. WhisperToMe 22:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Aadebayo added ""The contributor of this section is from a place where it is the norm for people to be killed because they are black, yet I do not see any reference to that point in his city"" - Since this was commentary, I excised this line. I responded to this on my commentary. WhisperToMe 05:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the email scams is that big a deal because afterall for the city with the highest scammers it is not stated on their page!!

Well, do you believe that Chamber of Commerce Groups would be that willing to admit serious negative flaws of their cities/places? I doubt it. WhisperToMe 14:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I have removed this information. While this information is important in giving a holisitc view of life in Lagos; I think, in line with almost every other country and city article, crime references should be reserved for the "Crime in Nigeria" article which is currently entitled "Nigerian organized crime." Ajisekanla 10:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• But it is also something somewhat specific to Lagos, the suburbs of Lagos, and the Igboland areas. 419 does NOT happen in the north. Also, I would add info to the Amsterdam article about 419 that comes there, but I need a source first. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
• Your statement sounds a lot like Original Research. I do not dispute that Advance Fee Fraud commonly originates from Nigeria, but to categorically say that it does not originate from the North… As I have said before in line with practice on the majority of country and city pages, this information should be limited to their “Crime” pages irrespective of origin. Ajisekanla (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I have removed (currently) unsubstantiated entries relating to Advance Fee Fraud along with an excerpt from another editor's talk page on the issue that was (apparently) erroneously posted in the main article. The complete entry deleted follows:

419 advance fee fraud

Many 419 advance fee fraud scams are based out of Lagos. Several neighborhoods, such as Festac Town, are main operation areas of scammers, who use shady cybercafes to implement scams. Six areas, including Oluwole, contain many businesses that produce false documents used in scams [7] [8].

The EFCC was established in 2003 to eradicate scamming networks [9].

Please note the following: - The link: http://www.nextwebsecurity.com/419news.asp referring to set up of the Nigerian Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) does not work. There is an official site which should be used: http://www.efccnigeria.org/ - The links indicating that this activity is centred in Lagos is misleading and should not be considered a primary source because: a. the articles are written by media that are neither able, nor responsible for properly assessing the prevalence in Lagos vis-à-vis other Nigerian cities. Direct links from government or NGO sites would be more accurate sources.

However, I restate that this information should be restricted to the “Crime in Nigeria” page. Your rationale that because "it happens" does not justify it's inclusion on the city or country page, when there is clearly a separate article dedicated for this information. Placing it under "Economy" implies that this is a significant part of economic activity, which it is not.

For example: black people in America are subject to systemic institutionalised racism as evidenced by stiffer prison sentences than white defendants committing the same crime. There are numerous online and paper articles, court reports, and academic studies supporting this information, does that justify the inclusion of this information on a US city or country page?

The same could be said about credit card fraud in the US, kidnapping in Mexico or the drugs trade in Thailand.

I also object to the tone of your message, are you trying to intimidate me by “warning” me not to do the very thing Wikipedia was created for? Namely contribute to an environment where people proximate to information are allowed and encouraged to enhance the knowledge of people less proximate.

Your responsibility as an administrator is to ensure impartiality and the accurateness of articles, not to strong arm dissenting views or push one particular view point above others. Remember encyclopaedic material must be verifiable. As an online encyclopaedia, all articles should share common structural themes, exceptions should be minimised. I believe that this is a glaring exception which you seem particularly intent on maintaining. Why is that?Ajisekanla (talk) 12:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I question the neutrality of this entry which appears to be mainly composed of "Original Research" and should probably not be added until more appropriate sources can be provided. I still support the opinion that this should not be on this page in line with the body of Wikipedia country and city pages. Ajisekanla (talk) 13:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for advancing IPAs

Whoever's responsible for the readjustment on the IPAs, thanks :). Qasamaan 08:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

(pronounced /ˈleɪɡɒs/, or /ˈlɑːɡoʊs/ overseas) overseas from where? Which one is the Nigerian pronunciation?--87.162.25.238 (talk) 16:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Lagos as a Municipality

The article, at the beginning, makes note Lagos not being a municipality, but that can't be right. I don't see how it is any different than say Sydney in Australia, which is composed of many local governments, but definitely has a central one City of Sydney. Lagos Island LGA would most definitely be what this is about, and the article should reflect that. So, what is the population of Lagos Island? If every 'city' had its page about its metro, we'd have to redo the whole site. The fact is that every city has an urban area, and many urban area central cities, are in fact, just as small as Lagos Island or smaller. This would be like doing an article on Paris or San Francisco, and having the article cover the entire metropolitan/urban area consisting of all of the different administrative divisions. This article should reflect Lagos Island, the central administraitve division, in population and description. Why even bother having a page on Lagos State, at all, if all we're going to do is list the population of Lagos State for Metropolitan Lagos? Someone find the information for Lagos Island and let's get this fixed. --Criticalthinker 07:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Not all of Lagos State was formerly the city of Lagos. The former city of Lagos consisted of Lagos Island, Victoria Island, as well as a section of the mainland of Apapa, Yaba, Ebute-Meta and part of Surulere. WhisperToMe 14:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I know that, and that's really my point. If this article is about Metropolitan Lagos, the statistical division that consists of 16 local area governments, then the article should reflect that. I just found the population statistics of 2006 for each local government area. What I'm going to do is add up the 16 local government area populations, and post that population, and perhaps, this article should be renamed "Metropolitan Lagos". I'm not so sure you're getting what I'm saying. --Criticalthinker 05:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that the Lagos Island LGA should appear in the infobox as the "city" (municipality) level of Lagos. The municipality level was disbanded in the 1970s, we have to live with it. There is no City of Lagos in the administrative sense. Presenting Lagos Island as the "city" of Lagos is a misreprensation. What about Victoria and Ikoyi islands which are not part of Lagos Island LGA? Godefroy 16:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

This is no different than the City of Sydney which is the central local government area of the statistical metropolitan Sydney in Australia. --Criticalthinker 04:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Map of Metropolitan Lagos

I am the person who uploaded the map of Metropolitan Lagos's 16 LGAs from the German Wikipedia. I see someone put the map at the beginning of the infobox. I would like to draw people's attention to an error in this map. The map shows Lagos Islands larger than it is really. In fact, there are two islands: Lagos Island and Ikoyi Island, but the current German map shows them as a single island and name the whole thing as "Lagos Island", which is wrong. In fact the western part of this "Lagos Island" is the real Lagos Island. It is a LGA. The eastern part is Ikoyi Island, which is part of Eti-Osa LGA. Someone should correct the map to include the eastern part inside the Eti-Osa LGA. You can see a detailed map of the area here (note that there's only a small channel separating Lagos and Ikoyi islands, which is not shown on this map): [10]. On this other map from the Nigerian statistical office, you can see the administrative borders of the LGAs: [11]. The map is a bit complicated to read, but it's the best I've found for administrative limits. Could someone with map making skills then correct the map? Godefroy 18:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• I can not do anything about that, but thanks for bringing it up so that someone can fix that. Out of curiosity, are Ikoyi Island and Victoria Island really islands anymore? It appears from some bad aerial photographs I've seen that they can only technically be considered islands, especially Victoria Island. --Criticalthinker 23:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I have had a go at fixing up the map, and referred in the text to the building over of smaller creeks which has fused some of the islands. Rexparry sydney 03:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• There are two major Islands in Lagos: Lagos Island and Victoria Island. Ikoyi is an area of Lagos Island. The map shown is correct according to all the sources i know. It is true that Victoria Island is no longer an island because of huge works of land reclamation towards the area of Lekki. I have not a lot information on that but it is an interesting topic because it really chaged and is changing the morphology of the city.

crime section

A section on crime, well referenced, has been added. I have refrained from more sensationist descriptions of crime even though that makes the section short. Crime is a serious problem in Lagos which is why a section is present.Congolese 03:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I have removed this information, because: (a)The two references are out of date (circa 2003) - the Economist reference comes from a South African talk page; and (b)I think, in line with almost every other country and city article, crime references should be reserved for the "Crime in Nigeria" article which is currently entitled "Nigerian organized crime." Ajisekanla 09:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

But street crime in Lagos is high, isn't it? - The Economist.com Cities Guide certainly is no "South African talk page" (how do you know the Lagos piece is from 2003?). And Nigerian papers have been much more outspoken just recently: "the menace of insecurity has reached a frightening dimension" (Guardian, Sept. 6, 2007), "insecurity of life and property, symptomised by violent robberies, the raping of women, kidnappings, and other forms of criminality, is clearly on the rise" (Nigerian Tribune, Sept. 12, 2007), Nigeria is "a nation under siege by hoodlums" (Leadership, Sept. 3, 2007). That's why Fashola is introducing military patrol now (Vanguard, Oct. 29., 2007). - Cheers, Ankimai 10:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Ankimai, I agree that the section should be added. Aji seems to be upset by the 419 additions, but unless there is a consensus not to include them... WhisperToMe (talk) 04:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

• Whispers comments here, originate from an ongoing content dispute on the Nigeria talk page regarding Advance fee fraud's relevance to the Nigerian economy.
• Unsubstantiated references to crime that are not verifiable should not be included. The Economist "report" is a city guide designed for visitors from Johannesburg. A lot of the information on that page is dated (the last reviewed date is on the site), including some of the crime information.
• Crime references are not included on other country or city pages and their inclusion on this page would be an exception. However, if most editors think otherwise, Ankimai's excellently sourced references are great and deserve a mention. Ajisekanla (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• I think that crime is so bad in Lagos that it deserves a brief, even almost cryptic mention. There does not need to be a long, sensationalist description that one might find in a tabloid newspaper. Crime references are normally not made in other city articles because crime is not so bad. The Youngstown, Ohio article is a featured article and it has had crime references for months/years. That city used to have a lot of crime. Congolese (talk) 06:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, now that we have the sources we can make the section :) - In the Festac Town section there are various newspaper articles describing that area as having 419 fraud. WhisperToMe (talk) 10:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• References to advance fee fraud activity centering around Festac are, still, poorly sourced. Ajisekanla (talk) 14:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Lagos City, Lagos Island or Lagos State

The information in this article crosses over the differences between the three and I suggest information be restructured to reflect the differences. E.g. the Local Government Area (LGA) only relates to Lagos Island, while the article seems to refer to "Greater Lagos," including the outlying areas of the mega-city. Ajisekanla (talk) 11:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)