Talk:Kriti (music)

Alternate names

The alternate names/spellings should be given (kirtanam, kirthanam, kirthanaam, etc.). Badagnani (talk) 19:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes it should, as well as the other details that haven't been included. Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Synonymous with "fame"?

I don't think "kṛti" is synonymous with "fame" - someone must have got it confused with "kīrti". 81.111.197.13 (talk) 12:57, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Disambiguator

See Talk:Kriti#Some new arguments to consider.

It is proposed there that this article should instead be named Kriti (music), similarly to Air (music). It is also requested there that this proposal should be discussed here (perhaps that was not clear before).

Comments? Do we need to go back to RM to discuss this, or can we just get consensus on it here? Andrewa (talk) 02:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll give at a little longer, but if we don't have more discussion soon I think it best to raise a formal RM

Kriti (musical composition) -> Kriti (music)

and then hopefully when that closes we can move on. Andrewa (talk) 15:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Why not just move it straight away? I don't think there have been any objections to this new title. – Uanfala (talk) 15:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

True. I am tempted to do so under wp:snow. And thank you for your support in this. Andrewa (talk) 16:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Rationale for the bold move:

• (musical composition) is a confusing disambiguator, as it could imply that the term refers to a type of composition (as it does), but could alternatively imply that it refers to a particular piece of music simply called Kriti. This might be more of a problem for speakers of English as a second language, particularly noting that this is a topic closely related to India and that the issue seems to have been raised by such a contributor. But English Wikipedia is for all English speakers.
• (music) is in any case unambiguous and more concise than (musical composition), and is already in use for the similar article air (music) and possibly others.
• We have rough consensus here for a move Kriti (musical composition) -> Kriti (music), the only possible problem being low participation. The only reason for an RM would be to produce more participation.
• I believe that the only reason that the previous RM did not move to Kriti (music) was that nobody proposed it there. That move did produce consensus that the musical term was not the primary topic, and that there was no primary topic, and that consensus has not been validly challenged since. But the disambiguator now suggested was neither raised nor discussed there, so we cannot assess consensus there either way regarding whether Kriti (music) or Kriti (musical composition) is the better title. Andrewa (talk) 10:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Done. Further discussion should probably be raised in the first instance on my user talk page. Note that that is how this bold move was (correctly IMO) initiated.

I have also tidied up the last (I think) wikilinks from articles to the DAB, and sincerely thank others who have done some of the clean-up for which I was formally responsible. Much appreciated and it should be policy to encourage such teamwork... those who propose or support a move should be part of the cleanup, not just the closer. This burden on closers is one reason that multi-moves in particular often languish in the RM backlog, in my opinion. Andrewa (talk) 10:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Just a note, Andrewa, about the onus of fixing the links. You probably have in mind the old wording in WP:FIXDABLINKS, but that got changed a year ago, and now closers of RM discussion aren't formally required to fix links to dab pages that result from the move. – Uanfala (talk) 12:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Noted. That encourages me... I sometimes wonder whether Wikipedia is converging towards an undesirable end! But that is progress. If we could only abandon the whole concept of primary topic, and make proper use of capital letters to distinguish for example a Brown Snake from one that just happens to be brown... but most Wikipedians seem convinced that the linguistics they learned in primary school is the state of the art. Andrewa (talk) 12:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)